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HUGE car finance update signals ALL mis-sold commission complaints could come under probe

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  • Largs
    Largs Posts: 430 Forumite
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    Looks like the banks will have to get their cheque books out after all. 
  • Nasqueron
    Nasqueron Posts: 10,705 Forumite
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    Largs said:
    Looks like the banks will have to get their cheque books out after all. 
    All that happened is the treasury weren't approved to become a party of the case, the appeals will go on and the government can legislate if needed or press the FCA 

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • DIYhelp76
    DIYhelp76 Posts: 283 Forumite
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    Hi,

    I'm enquiring on behalf of a family member. They are aware of this claim possibility thru this site, but haven't really considered it up until now.

    They took out a VW car finance ("hire purchase") agreement around 2017 and are not sure if they can bring a claim.  They only took out the agreement because it made sense at the time, as by taking out the agreement they received additional free car servicing benefits which were given for taking out the finance.   They repaid the loan amount in full quite quickly incurring only little interest and the finance agreement was settled and closed.  Should they still claim or is this really meant for people who have lost out financially more substantially, i.e. does it depend on real demonstrable/substantial financial losses for agreements where several repayments were made and the agreement wasn't settled early?

    Many thx.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,697 Forumite
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    DIYhelp76 said:
    Hi,

    I'm enquiring on behalf of a family member. They are aware of this claim possibility thru this site, but haven't really considered it up until now.

    They took out a VW car finance ("hire purchase") agreement around 2017 and are not sure if they can bring a claim.  They only took out the agreement because it made sense at the time, as by taking out the agreement they received additional free car servicing benefits which were given for taking out the finance.   They repaid the loan amount in full quite quickly incurring only little interest and the finance agreement was settled and closed.  Should they still claim or is this really meant for people who have lost out financially more substantially, i.e. does it depend on real demonstrable/substantial financial losses for agreements where several repayments were made and the agreement wasn't settled early?

    Many thx.
    The dealers and finance companies have made representations to the FCA about DCA often being used to improve terms or transfer cost of other benefits.   i.e. its the total package that matters. Not just one bit of it.

    They do not have to claim anything.
    a) the FCA are looking to make it pro-active on lenders and not reactive.   Complaints will not be required.
    b) The expectation is that it will only apply to the rate affected by the additional commission. e.g. if normal rate was 3% and the DCA increased it to 4%, then it will be the difference, not the whole amount.

    The final outcome is unknown and will be until the court cases have completed.    So, for th moment, the family member does nothing and waits to see what the FCA say.

    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • DIYhelp76
    DIYhelp76 Posts: 283 Forumite
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    Thanks Dunstonh for the helpful reply.  I'll pass this on.  Saw also a recent update from Martin Lewis on this so, as you say, it does seem like everyone should be automatically contacted if they are due any compensation, so no need for them to proactively submit any claim. Much appreciated.
  • As my PCP car financing goes right back beyond the claim dates, involving quite a few vehicles (13 within dates allowed to claim), I enlisted the help of a legal firm on a no win no fee basis. My case went through to a court hearing last December but was stopped due to the High Court, and Court of Appeal review. From Martin's latest bulletin it may be the Finance companies will, based on a FCA/Court calculation, automatically pay customers directly. My question is can I stop my claims with my lawyers as this basis of claiming compensation has been overridden?
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,697 Forumite
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    As my PCP car financing goes right back beyond the claim dates, involving quite a few vehicles (13 within dates allowed to claim), I enlisted the help of a legal firm on a no win no fee basis. My case went through to a court hearing last December but was stopped due to the High Court, and Court of Appeal review. From Martin's latest bulletin it may be the Finance companies will, based on a FCA/Court calculation, automatically pay customers directly. My question is can I stop my claims with my lawyers as this basis of claiming compensation has been overridden?
    You will need to check your contract terms to see what the cancellation terms are.

    If the clams companies are FCA regulated rather than law society, then there is a good chance that the FCA will tell claims companies that they cannot take a share of the redress if the FCA chooses to proceed with a section 404 redress scheme.  If the firms are law society regulated, then it will be up to the law society what it instructs. 


    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • DullGreyGuy
    DullGreyGuy Posts: 18,613 Forumite
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    As my PCP car financing goes right back beyond the claim dates, involving quite a few vehicles (13 within dates allowed to claim), I enlisted the help of a legal firm on a no win no fee basis. My case went through to a court hearing last December but was stopped due to the High Court, and Court of Appeal review. From Martin's latest bulletin it may be the Finance companies will, based on a FCA/Court calculation, automatically pay customers directly. My question is can I stop my claims with my lawyers as this basis of claiming compensation has been overridden?
    You can but will almost certainly have to pay them on their standard hourly rate for the work they have done to date
  • Thank you for your responses. I guess I will have to wait to see the Appeal Court decided. I bet the Lenders will employ specialised lawyers/Barristers to appeal again.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 119,697 Forumite
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    Thank you for your responses. I guess I will have to wait to see the Appeal Court decided. I bet the Lenders will employ specialised lawyers/Barristers to appeal again.
    Hopefully the lenders win as its a bizarre decision by the courts.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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