Turning right at an awkward Junction and another car hit me from the right hand lane.

KP018336

I was recently hit by another car that drove into the back of my rear right door when turning right.

There are two lanes that go straight, and both of them have to turn right. At the time i was in the far left lane and started to turn right when I thought it was appropriate to do so. The car on my right hand side started to speed up behind me, and whilst I was already turning right, they colided with me. The left hand corner of their front bumper had colided with the right rear door towards the rear wheel arch.

Unfortunatley there are no road markings that  guide the cars as they turn right, so the driver has to use their judgement when turning right. From my perspective, my car was already in front, and i would of expected the car that was behind me in the right lane to have kept distance and proceed with caution rather than speeding up and attempting to overtake.

Any advice on the matter would be helpful.

Herzlos

So both lanes turn right, and the car on your right veered into your lane causing a collision?

Are you sure you were far enough over to not veer into their lane?

Nasqueron

Were they doing the classic of coming off lane 2 into lane 1 at the junction without looking? Did you get photos of where you car was hit/stopped or only after?

Dash cam footage?

Unless there is footage or a witness, be hard to predict if this would go as a no fault

cw8825

i would echo Herzlos said:

So both lanes turn right, and the car on your right veered into your lane causing a collision?

Are you sure you were far enough over to not veer into their lane?

The junction is set up to allow 2 cars to both turn right. if you are in the left lane you would need to keep further left.
there is space for 2 cars to go around the bend, they would not have needed to give way until attempting to join the M6.

Also in the picture you have taken, the road markings are very clear, the car in the left lane needs to go to the arrow closest to the camera

with out any evidence either way(dashcam) or witness, it comes down to your version vs the other driver, so likely 50/50

Niv

Looks like a junction where this sort of incident can easily happen. I feel you will likely share blame with the other vehicle if there is no video/photographic evidence as it would be your word against theirs and each driver with have their view of where the turn should occur. 

For example, from the photo of the two cars using the junction that black car looks like they have taken the corner WAY to soon imo and should be further into the road before turning right. Evidence of the corner regularly being taken early is shown in your top down image as it can be seen that the white marking to guide drivers has been rubbed away.

DullGreyGuy

Ultimately have to compare both parties versions of events and decide if there is any evidence that supports one over the other. Typically without witnesses or CCTV/dashcam it will often end 50/50 because you cannot prove one over the other and insurers dont like the roll of the dice that court is. 

Just put the situation to your insurers clearly, would help on the overhead if you made the lines thicker, have a arrowhead on them so you can see the direction and have the two lines converge at the point of the accident or at least add the cars as rectangles on the lines at the point of impact. 

eskbanker

KP018336 said:

From my perspective, my car was already in front, and i would of expected the car that was behind me in the right lane to have kept distance and proceed with caution rather than speeding up and attempting to overtake.

I don't think it's realistic to portray this as an overtaking manoeuvre - if there are two lanes entering the junction, and a corresponding two exiting it, then there's nothing obliging someone in the outer lane to 'hang back' and treat the inner one as if they have some sort of priority, i.e. both cars are equally entitled to turn at the same time and should obviously do so with due regard to any traffic in the other lane.

Ectophile

eskbanker said:

KP018336 said:

From my perspective, my car was already in front, and i would of expected the car that was behind me in the right lane to have kept distance and proceed with caution rather than speeding up and attempting to overtake.

I don't think it's realistic to portray this as an overtaking manoeuvre - if there are two lanes entering the junction, and a corresponding two exiting it, then there's nothing obliging someone in the outer lane to 'hang back' and treat the inner one as if they have some sort of priority, i.e. both cars are equally entitled to turn at the same time and should obviously do so with due regard to any traffic in the other lane.

But I would expect the person in the outer lane to take the turn wide.  Not cut the corner and ram into the person on the inner lane.

sheramber

The car in the right hand lane may not have speeded up .He had a tighter turning so would gain ground.
Think of runners on a track having a staggered start as the inside lanes cover less distance on the turn.

If both cars stay in their lanes on the turn there would be no contact, so who strayed into whom?

cw8825

sheramber said:

The car in the right hand lane may not have speeded up .He had a tighter turning so would gain ground.
Think of runners on a track having a staggered start as the inside lanes cover less distance on the turn.

If both cars stay in their lanes on the turn there would be no contact, so who strayed into whom?

Personal thoughts are that it’s more likely for the car on the outside to cause the contact by cutting the corner. Added to the fact op thinks it’s only space for one car

Petriix

KP018336 said:

I was recently hit by another car that drove into the back of my rear right door when turning right.

There are two lanes that go straight, and both of them have to turn right. At the time i was in the far left lane and started to turn right when I thought it was appropriate to do so. The car on my right hand side started to speed up behind me, and whilst I was already turning right, they colided with me. The left hand corner of their front bumper had colided with the right rear door towards the rear wheel arch.

Unfortunatley there are no road markings that  guide the cars as they turn right, so the driver has to use their judgement when turning right. From my perspective, my car was already in front, and i would of expected the car that was behind me in the right lane to have kept distance and proceed with caution rather than speeding up and attempting to overtake.

Any advice on the matter would be helpful. 

If you followed the path of the top red line in the bottom photo then you're 100% at fault. There's plenty of room for two vehicles to make the turn at the same time and the onus would naturally be on the vehicle in the left hand lane to create sufficient space. Unless the other car was attempting to change into the left lane which you already occupied, it would appear that you encroached on their lane.

Without clear evidence it's likely to be a 50/50 split on the insurance but it depends on whether there's dash cam footage or witnesses.