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Apcoa - parking on railway car park, over stayed the 20 mins allowed

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  • meishka
    meishka Posts: 64 Forumite
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    Thank you so much, very interesting and consise, I had no idea.  I will def report it! 
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 153,978 Forumite
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    edited 7 June at 5:02PM
    Yes please do. Nothing to lose.

    Please use the exact words by @doubledotcom and upload to the SRA a copy of the original PN (both sides) and that misleading letter which is way past the limitation deadline and is trying to extract a statute barred PN by pretending it is a PCN.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • meishka
    meishka Posts: 64 Forumite
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    Disappointed to receive this today from SRA

    Following our assessment, we do not consider that QDR Solicitors has breached our Standards and Regulations.

    We understand that QDR Solicitors is acting on behalf of ZZPS, a debt recovery
    agent, in relation to a penalty notice issued by APCOA. While the original notice may
    have been issued under criminal legislation, the correspondence from QDR appears
    to relate to a civil claim for payment, which their client believes is owed.
    Solicitors are permitted to act on behalf of clients in pursuing debts they believe to be
    valid. The enforceability of such debts is a legal matter and not one the SRA can
    adjudicate on. If the debt is disputed, the appropriate forum for resolution is the court.
    The court will determine whether the claim is legally enforceable and whether any
    procedural or statutory limitations apply.
    We have reviewed the tone and content of the correspondence and do not consider
    that it constitutes a breach of our Standards and Regulations. While solicitor-headed
    letters may carry authority, their use in debt recovery is not prohibited, provided the
    content is not misleading or threatening.
    We have not seen evidence that QDR Solicitors has acted dishonestly,
    misrepresented the legal position, or breached our rules.

    QDR have stopped sending those letters though!


  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 153,978 Forumite
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    meishka said:
    Disappointed to receive this today from SRA

    Following our assessment, we do not consider that QDR Solicitors has breached our Standards and Regulations.

    We understand that QDR Solicitors is acting on behalf of ZZPS, a debt recovery
    agent, in relation to a penalty notice issued by APCOA. While the original notice may
    have been issued under criminal legislation, the correspondence from QDR appears
    to relate to a civil claim for payment, which their client believes is owed.
    Solicitors are permitted to act on behalf of clients in pursuing debts they believe to be
    valid. The enforceability of such debts is a legal matter and not one the SRA can
    adjudicate on. If the debt is disputed, the appropriate forum for resolution is the court.
    The court will determine whether the claim is legally enforceable and whether any
    procedural or statutory limitations apply.
    We have reviewed the tone and content of the correspondence and do not consider
    that it constitutes a breach of our Standards and Regulations. While solicitor-headed
    letters may carry authority, their use in debt recovery is not prohibited, provided the
    content is not misleading or threatening.
    We have not seen evidence that QDR Solicitors has acted dishonestly,
    misrepresented the legal position, or breached our rules.

    QDR have stopped sending those letters though!
    How can the SRA think it's OK to chase statute barred penalties and reinvent them as PCNs?!
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • doubledotcom
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    edited Today at 5:18AM
    I would press back at that fob-off response from the SRA:

    Request for review – QDR Solicitors’ debt-recovery letters re time-expired Railway Byelaws Penalty Notice

    SRA reference: [add if you have one]
    Complainant: [your name]
    Firm complained of: QDR Solicitors Limited

    Dear Sirs,

    Thank you for your outcome letter. I respectfully request a review because material points appear to have been overlooked and, with respect, the conclusion is inconsistent with the SRA Principles, Codes of Conduct, and your Conduct in Disputes guidance.

    1. Misleading as to the existence and nature of any liability

    The Penalty Notice (PN) was issued under the Railway Byelaws. Liability to pay a “penalty” under those byelaws arises only upon summary conviction in the magistrates’ court. Separately, section 127 of the Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980 imposes a six-month time limit to institute prosecutions; that period expired on 15 March 2025. There is no conviction and no criminal fine payable.

    Despite this, QDR’s letters demand “payment of the balance” as if a civil debt exists. No civil cause of action is identified. Presenting a criminal PN (now time-barred from prosecution) as a civil “debt” capable of recovery risks misleading a reasonable recipient about both status and enforceability. This engages Code paragraphs 1.2 (do not take unfair advantage), 1.4 (do not mislead), and 2.4 (only make assertions which are properly arguable). Your Conduct in Disputes guidance also flags threatening or implying litigation where there is no proper legal basis as unacceptable.

    2. Threatening or implying litigation where there is no proper basis

    Your letter records that the correspondence “appears to relate to a civil claim for payment, which their client believes is owed”. Respectfully, a client’s belief is insufficient for regulatory purposes. The test is whether there is a properly arguable legal basis to characterise a time-expired, byelaw-based PN as a civil debt. QDR’s letters do not articulate any such basis, and none is apparent. Your guidance on debt recovery warns against unjustified claims and oppressive practices, particularly attempts to pursue unenforceable sums.

    3. Use of solicitor letterhead to pressurise payment

    Using a solicitor’s letterhead to pursue payment of a sum that is neither a criminal fine (no conviction) nor a recognised civil debt creates a real risk of misleading by implication. This undermines public trust and engages SRA Principles 2 (public trust and confidence) and 5 (integrity).

    4. Acting on behalf of a third party with no standing in the alleged liability

    QDR act for ZZPS, a debt collection agent that is not a prosecuting authority and is not a party to any byelaw-based liability. The involvement of a third party with no standing heightens the risk that the correspondence misrepresents the legal position. Solicitors should satisfy themselves that there is a proper legal foundation for demands they advance.

    Evidence enclosed

    1. Copy PN and relevant signage extracts showing reliance on Railway Byelaws.

    2. Timeline confirming expiry of the six-month prosecution period on 15 March 2025.

    3. Copies of QDR/ZZPS letters highlighting characterisation of a “balance due” and the omission of any civil cause of action.

    4. My original complaint and your outcome letter.

    What I ask the SRA to do

    a) Reopen the assessment and consider whether QDR’s letters are misleading and/or threaten or imply proceedings without a proper basis, contrary to Code paragraphs 1.2, 1.4 and 2.4 and the Conduct in Disputes guidance.
    b) If you remain minded not to investigate, please state the SRA’s position explicitly on whether it is acceptable for solicitors to demand payment of time-expired Railway Byelaw PNs as civil debts without articulating any civil cause of action.

    Yours faithfully,



  • meishka
    meishka Posts: 64 Forumite
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    Thats brilliant! However they do say this too. Also seems a bit unfair!

     Under our rules, you do not have the right to appeal or review this decision.
  • 1505grandad
    1505grandad Posts: 3,886 Forumite
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    Perhaps get your MP involved as well  -  perhaps they may contact the Justice Secretary!!
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