How many devices are connected to the Internet in your Home

[Deleted User]

400ixl said:

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?

Simple answer is to actually buy the proper 5G broadband contract with their router and then you don't have to worry about how many devices you have connected and you get a 1000Gb fair use policy.

Trying to use a Mobile phone contract to do it on the cheap leaves you open to the policy that goes with it. But even then if you connect a wifi router to the 5G router and use that as just a modem then they will only see 1 device connected and you only have to worry about the fair use policy.

You appear to be getting twisted around the axle of a perfectly solvable non problem.

Thank you for your reply. When you say "Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?". Its because instead of seeing your router's MAC address over the WAN the ISP sees the MAC address of a device that complies with their Terms of Service regarding tethering. You miss the point in that if the ISP looks up the MAC address and sees that it belongs to a router, any router, they will at their discretion impose punitive measures that may or may not impose speed restictions.

Pollycat

[Deleted User] said:

I have no idea what this poll is intended to prove.
Why does the OP think the number of devices connected in my home is of any relevance to them?

voluted

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?

Simple answer is to actually buy the proper 5G broadband contract with their router and then you don't have to worry about how many devices you have connected and you get a 1000Gb fair use policy.

Trying to use a Mobile phone contract to do it on the cheap leaves you open to the policy that goes with it. But even then if you connect a wifi router to the 5G router and use that as just a modem then they will only see 1 device connected and you only have to worry about the fair use policy.

You appear to be getting twisted around the axle of a perfectly solvable non problem.

Thank you for your reply. When you say "Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?". Its because instead of seeing your router's MAC address over the WAN the ISP sees the MAC address of a device that complies with their Terms of Service regarding tethering. You miss the point in that if the ISP looks up the MAC address and sees that it belongs to a router, any router, they will at their discretion impose punitive measures that may or may not impose speed restictions.

This isn't going to be done on the fly by any consumer-grade router that I'm aware of.

Altering the MAC address in software is definitely a thing, but it's a setting that is one-and-done. I have yet to hear of any consumer-grade router (or enterprise-grade for that matter) that is going to dynamically alter the MAC address in the packet it sends to the next hop for every packet it receives and remember which packet corresponds to each MAC alteration (quickly thinking about it I'm not even sure that would be possible) so it can reroute it back to the correct device when it receives the response.

It would be an unnecessary burden on the CPU and memory of what are fairly rudimentary devices which have very limited resources and is completely unnecessary for 99.9999999999% of users. If you can point us to any router (I'm being bold so you can point to enterprise-grade routers if you want) that does this, I'm happy to stand corrected.

Aside from that in your example you'd want every device to be cloned to match that of, for example, a phone. You wouldn't want it to "pass-through" every MAC address from devices on the local network so they still wouldn't know that there were 12+ devices as they'd all look like they were your phone.

You really need to drop the fixation with the 12-device limit. They cannot detect it and they're not really interested in it. Your 600GB+ usage is what they can track and what they care about. You need to accept you either made a mistake or were being cheeky and got caught, and purchase a service that is suitable for your needs.

voluted

Pollycat said:

[Deleted User] said:

I have no idea what this poll is intended to prove.
Why does the OP think the number of devices connected in my home is of any relevance to them?

I think they're trying to "prove" that EE's 12-device limit on the plan they are using is unrealistic. The problem is that the plan they are using is designed for mobile phones, so arguably allowing more than 1 device to use the connection is being generous, rather than limiting it to 12 being punitive.

born_again

Pollycat said:

[Deleted User] said:

I have no idea what this poll is intended to prove.
Why does the OP think the number of devices connected in my home is of any relevance to them?

Have a read of this thread.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6557246/personal-fair-usage-ee-4g-lte-essentials-unlimited-contract-issues#latest

Pollycat

Pointless poll and should have continued the discussion on that same thread.