How many devices are connected to the Internet in your Home

voluted

born_again said:

Would have been better tagged on your other thread.
There is not really a answer, as devices are not all used at same time or remain connected all the time.

As I said, EE have a dedicated tariff for what you are using SIM for. 🤷‍♀️

To be fair, their data SIM plans also have the 12 device restriction in the T&Cs so it would appear they don't have any suitable tariffs for them.

But that doesn't mean the OP can simply say "not my fault you don't have something that is suitable for my use" and use it anyway.

They'd at least have a slightly more understandable gripe if they were paying for a data SIM though.

born_again

voluted said:

born_again said:

Would have been better tagged on your other thread.
There is not really a answer, as devices are not all used at same time or remain connected all the time.

As I said, EE have a dedicated tariff for what you are using SIM for. 🤷‍♀️

To be fair, their data SIM plans also have the 12 device restriction in the T&Cs so it would appear they don't have any suitable tariffs for them.

But that doesn't mean the OP can simply say "not my fault you don't have something that is suitable for my use" and use it anyway.

They'd at least have a slightly more understandable gripe if they were paying for a data SIM though.

Posted in OP other thread

https://ee.co.uk/broadband/mobile-broadband

connect 100+ devices

voluted

born_again said:

voluted said:

born_again said:

Would have been better tagged on your other thread.
There is not really a answer, as devices are not all used at same time or remain connected all the time.

As I said, EE have a dedicated tariff for what you are using SIM for. 🤷‍♀️

To be fair, their data SIM plans also have the 12 device restriction in the T&Cs so it would appear they don't have any suitable tariffs for them.

But that doesn't mean the OP can simply say "not my fault you don't have something that is suitable for my use" and use it anyway.

They'd at least have a slightly more understandable gripe if they were paying for a data SIM though.

Posted in OP other thread

https://ee.co.uk/broadband/mobile-broadband

connect 100+ devices

https://ee.co.uk/content/dam/help/terms-and-conditions/price-plans/mobile/4gee-wifi-price-plans/4g-and-5g-wifi-plan-terms-and-price-guide-100424.pdf

Still says 12 devices.

Unless I'm on the wrong T&Cs but the only other ones I see are https://ee.co.uk/content/dam/help/terms-and-conditions/broadband/24-month-tablet-plans/ee-tablet-and-laptop-plan-t-and-cs-from-10042024.pdf 

They look like carbon copies of one another minus the title

[Deleted User]

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

[Deleted User]

Aylesbury_Duck said:

[Deleted User] said:

That should say more than, or equal to 12 devices. Sorry about that.

It should also say "fewer than 12 devices", not "less than..."

And I'm not going to vote, because I don't think the results of the poll are going to be of any use to you.

Thank you, that was helpful. Less haste more speed that is if one is not connected to the internet.

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elsien said:

I appear to have Luddite tendencies because mine is the bog standard phone,  tablet, laptop and desktop. Not all at the same time, obviously. 

Thank you for your reply. Not at all, my daughter introduced us to Amazon Echo devices, we have three of them. Its a long story. We have a number of TAPO intelligent sockets that require a Wifi connection not to mention IoT devices. Its surprising how the count of internet connected devices mounts up when one embraces home automation. The ISP Terms of Service may require only the connection of tethered devices if one is to avoid punitive measures.

400ixl

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?

Simple answer is to actually buy the proper 5G broadband contract with their router and then you don't have to worry about how many devices you have connected and you get a 1000Gb fair use policy.

Trying to use a Mobile phone contract to do it on the cheap leaves you open to the policy that goes with it. But even then if you connect a wifi router to the 5G router and use that as just a modem then they will only see 1 device connected and you only have to worry about the fair use policy.

You appear to be getting twisted around the axle of a perfectly solvable non problem.

voluted

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

MAC address cloning is something you specifically set up, it isn't done "on the fly" so it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Here's a basic tutorial called "Life of a packet" that will hopefully allow you to understand what a MAC address is and how it is used.

https://www.flackbox.com/cisco-the-life-of-a-packet

born_again

voluted said:

born_again said:

voluted said:

born_again said:

Would have been better tagged on your other thread.
There is not really a answer, as devices are not all used at same time or remain connected all the time.

As I said, EE have a dedicated tariff for what you are using SIM for. 🤷‍♀️

To be fair, their data SIM plans also have the 12 device restriction in the T&Cs so it would appear they don't have any suitable tariffs for them.

But that doesn't mean the OP can simply say "not my fault you don't have something that is suitable for my use" and use it anyway.

They'd at least have a slightly more understandable gripe if they were paying for a data SIM though.

Posted in OP other thread

https://ee.co.uk/broadband/mobile-broadband

connect 100+ devices

https://ee.co.uk/content/dam/help/terms-and-conditions/price-plans/mobile/4gee-wifi-price-plans/4g-and-5g-wifi-plan-terms-and-price-guide-100424.pdf

Still says 12 devices.

Unless I'm on the wrong T&Cs but the only other ones I see are https://ee.co.uk/content/dam/help/terms-and-conditions/broadband/24-month-tablet-plans/ee-tablet-and-laptop-plan-t-and-cs-from-10042024.pdf 

They look like carbon copies of one another minus the title

I think you are looking at what the OP already has, not what I was suggesting which is proper Home mobile BB. Especially given the mention of roaming.

https://ee.co.uk/content/dam/help/terms-and-conditions/price-plans/mobile/4gee-and-5gee-home-plans-t-and-cs-100924.pdf

Which has no limits on devices mentioned. 

[Deleted User]

400ixl said:

[Deleted User] said:

400ixl said:

It really depends on how you determine connected.

Over 40 devices communicate with the internet, but my ISP would not know about them as it would only see one, being the router as everything else is nat'd and running across a VPN.

I assume this is in relation to your other thread about using 4G/5G individual user SIM in a router for internet rather than either proper 5G or FTTC/FTTP broadband. 

Done the right way, the Mobile provider will not see how many devices are attached either.

Thank you for your reply. You are of course correct in what you say, however, if the router features MAC Address Cloning, one of the connected devices could be used, say but not limited to, an unused always on Android Oreo (v8) Tablet.The ISP looking up the MAC address registrant would see Samsung who as you know manufacture mobile devices capable of tethering. Only necessary if the ISP Terms of Service required connection of a tethered device.

Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?

Simple answer is to actually buy the proper 5G broadband contract with their router and then you don't have to worry about how many devices you have connected and you get a 1000Gb fair use policy.

Trying to use a Mobile phone contract to do it on the cheap leaves you open to the policy that goes with it. But even then if you connect a wifi router to the 5G router and use that as just a modem then they will only see 1 device connected and you only have to worry about the fair use policy.

You appear to be getting twisted around the axle of a perfectly solvable non problem.

Thank you for your reply. When you say "Why would you be cloning the MAC address of a non router device onto the router?". Its because instead of seeing your router's MAC address over the WAN the ISP sees the MAC address of a device that complies with their Terms of Service regarding tethering. You miss the point in that if the ISP looks up the MAC address and sees that it belongs to a router, any router, they will at their discretion impose punitive measures that may or may not impose speed restictions.