Help - screws not catching

lucyplease

Thanks so much. I think I will go with that. It’s really hard to know if I’m adding enough layers as once its in it’s hard to get back out (if the screw isn’t tightening and I need to add more)

I will see if I can work out how much of the plug goes into the sold wall. 

We should have really got someone in to hang it, I was so chuffed when I drilled through the tile without cracking it though! 

Thinking about it, we had some shelves put up over the tiles and I remover the guy who did it ended up putting something in like glue or something so guess it happens to professionals too who know what they are doing!

I think you are right, we either hit mortar or didn’t hold the drill straight and it’s created a wider hole.  

Off to wickes for more screws/plugs and might get some more pads incase needed. 

thanks again will let you know if it works 

lucyplease

Ps - previously I did put the pads over all of the plug (one layer) but now see it’s only the end that needs it to be tight near the wall which will hopefully tighten the screw 

ThisIsWeird

Yes, mark the part of the red plug wot will be sitting in the brick, and only wrap around that part.
Wrap snugly, overlapping. Add until you get to the tip. Do a test push - no need to insert fully, just enough that you know it's now properly snug and firm to insert. If it ain't, withdraw it, turning it as you do so in the direction that won't unwind the wraps! (Work that out first "Hmm, clockwise to...") 
Add more wraps if needed, finally with the one over the tip.
The stuff the pros used was likely 'resin', and is the ultimate solution for such a situation. You can try it if needed....

FreeBear

ThisIsWeird said: The stuff the pros used was likely 'resin', and is the ultimate solution for such a situation. You can try it if needed....

Resin works every time - See my post on the first page of this thread.

Old school fix would be to hammer a wooden peg in to the hole, and then screw in to the wood. But not a good idea if the OP has tiles on the wall (big risk of cracking them).

MikeJXE

lucyplease said:

Thanks so much. I think I will go with that. It’s really hard to know if I’m adding enough layers as once its in it’s hard to get back out (if the screw isn’t tightening and I need to add more)

I will see if I can work out how much of the plug goes into the sold wall. 

We should have really got someone in to hang it, I was so chuffed when I drilled through the tile without cracking it though! 

Thinking about it, we had some shelves put up over the tiles and I remover the guy who did it ended up putting something in like glue or something so guess it happens to professionals too who know what they are doing!

I think you are right, we either hit mortar or didn’t hold the drill straight and it’s created a wider hole.  

Off to wickes for more screws/plugs and might get some more pads incase needed. 

thanks again will let you know if it works 

Get a new drill bit the correct size while you’re at it 

When drilling the tiles start with a smaller drill and work up to the 8mm 

Masonry drills obviously 

ThisIsWeird

MikeJXE said:

lucyplease said:

Thanks so much. I think I will go with that. It’s really hard to know if I’m adding enough layers as once its in it’s hard to get back out (if the screw isn’t tightening and I need to add more)

I will see if I can work out how much of the plug goes into the sold wall. 

We should have really got someone in to hang it, I was so chuffed when I drilled through the tile without cracking it though! 

Thinking about it, we had some shelves put up over the tiles and I remover the guy who did it ended up putting something in like glue or something so guess it happens to professionals too who know what they are doing!

I think you are right, we either hit mortar or didn’t hold the drill straight and it’s created a wider hole.  

Off to wickes for more screws/plugs and might get some more pads incase needed. 

thanks again will let you know if it works 

Get a new drill bit the correct size while you’re at it 
When drilling the tiles start with a smaller drill and work up to the 8mm 
Masonry drills obviously 

If you do end up filling the hole with filler, Lucy, allowing it to set, and redrilling, use the bit that came with the pack - it should go in with little issue, and leave a snug fit.

ThisIsWeird

FreeBear said:

ThisIsWeird said: The stuff the pros used was likely 'resin', and is the ultimate solution for such a situation. You can try it if needed....

Resin works every time - See my post on the first page of this thread.

Old school fix would be to hammer a wooden peg in to the hole, and then screw in to the wood. But not a good idea if the OP has tiles on the wall (big risk of cracking them).

Would resin be a good move for a new DIYer?
From what I understand, it's really for fixing threaded rod in place, which can then be 'nutted'. 
In this situation, if you squish in some resin and then tap in the plug, the resin could squeeze into the plug centre, and block the screw? 

Grenage

I have in the past (and I'm not saying this is the best way) filled a hole that was slightly too large with grab adhesive and pushed in the plug. 

Wipe away the excess and leave to dry before screwing.  Resin is the Rolls Royce version.

FreeBear

ThisIsWeird said:

FreeBear said:

ThisIsWeird said: The stuff the pros used was likely 'resin', and is the ultimate solution for such a situation. You can try it if needed....

Resin works every time - See my post on the first page of this thread.

Old school fix would be to hammer a wooden peg in to the hole, and then screw in to the wood. But not a good idea if the OP has tiles on the wall (big risk of cracking them).

Would resin be a good move for a new DIYer?
From what I understand, it's really for fixing threaded rod in place, which can then be 'nutted'. 
In this situation, if you squish in some resin and then tap in the plug, the resin could squeeze into the plug centre, and block the screw? 

Get the screw in place before the resin has fully hardened - The stuff goes off in minutes, so you don't want to leave it too long to tighten the screws up. Alternatively, you can bed a wall plug in to a resin filled hole, and put a pilot drill down once it is fully cured.

Grenage said:

I have in the past (and I'm not saying this is the best way) filled a hole that was slightly too large with grab adhesive and pushed in the plug.

Used a grab adhesive myself in the past where ultimate strength wasn't required. Grab adhesives do not set rock hard, so retain a little bit of flexibility. For a small curtain rail, it should be OK - Just give the adhesive a couple of days to reach full strength.

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

Personally I'd just get a wider plug, Fischer Duopowers come in 8mm and 10mm 

https://www.toolstation.com/fischer-duopower-nylon-high-performance-plug/p47504

https://www.toolstation.com/fischer-duopower-nylon-high-performance-plug/p42350

(other places are likely to be cheaper than Toolstation). 

You can get drill bits for tiles:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HPMAISON-Tungsten-Carbide-Porcelain-Concrete/dp/B08KSZ8RSH

(again other places probably cheaper) 

which should give you an easier time drilling a decent hole and are far less likely to damage the tile.

I'm not sure what a kitchen pole is but does it actually need the 12 fixings?