Guttering stop end overflowing

danrv

Hi
The LH end of the guttering on my property overflows badly in heavy rain.
The stop end seems to have a large cutout for some reason. Looks like it's bodged with silicon but I'm unable to see it clearly due to working from ladders.

The guttering looks like Marley type with inside clips but the end appears to be metal and stuck on.
They're fairly clear as I jet washed them recently with a pressure washer.
I think new stop ends are available but fitting one could be difficult.
Any help appreciated.

TELLIT01

Presumably you have removed the stop end from your guttering as there is no evidence of it in the 2nd photo.  You also need to let your neighbour know that their gutter is full of moss.  It's possible that is also overflowing.

danrv

TELLIT01 said:

Presumably you have removed the stop end from your guttering as there is no evidence of it in the 2nd photo.  You also need to let your neighbour know that their gutter is full of moss.  It's possible that is also overflowing.

I haven't removed anything. It's how the guttering is but there's something on the end. Will let neighbours know about the moss.

Eldi_Dos

If neighbour is getting someone in to clear their rhones can you arrange for a new end cap to be fiited to yours at same time.

All that moss would be good soil conditioner.

jennifernil

Looks like it could be aluminium Ogee gutter 

danrv

jennifernil said:

Looks like it could be aluminium Ogee gutter 

It feels like plastic.

TELLIT01

danrv said:

TELLIT01 said:

Presumably you have removed the stop end from your guttering as there is no evidence of it in the 2nd photo.  You also need to let your neighbour know that their gutter is full of moss.  It's possible that is also overflowing.

I haven't removed anything. It's how the guttering is but there's something on the end. Will let neighbours know about the moss.

It's very odd.  The exterior shot clearly shows the outer part of a stop end on the gutter to the right (yours?), but internally there is nothing.  Presumably somebody cut the internal part away and simply used sealant to bridge the end.  Lord knows why anybody would do that! Unless it was done when the neighbour had new gutters fitted and they couldn't get the end cap on.  Looking at an enlarged version of the internal photo, the end cap of your gutter has clearly been cut away.

To be honest I'm not sure how you would make a permanent seal at that end without obtaining and fitting the correct end cap.

Lorian

Apologies this ended up being longer and more complex than needed.

TL;DR make sure your and their downpipes are clear and their miss removed and the bodged stop end might not cause such a big problem.

Your neighbours guttering looks like osma/wavin square line 100mm. Their endcap is not quite located properly. That moss will be blocking up their downpipe (where is their and your downpipes?) for sure and needs cleaning before they wonder where the damp is coming from. If they ever need parts it's typically only Travis Perkins who stock it. Taking an end cap off somewhere and pushing the moss out is the method I prefer.

Yours looks like Marley (classic ogee?,) to me too but I could be wrong. I wouldn't be taking it down as I hate their internal brackets. I'm guessing that's a 'craftsman' made encap perhaps because whoever fitted it could not figure out how to get a proper external endcap on due to the proximity of the other end cap. 

I think there is a relatively easy way to get a proper endcap on but it would need a little cooperation from the neighbours:

Unclip the osma end cap by pulling down on the front clip then pull the cap down about 45 degrees but dont yank it off.
Unclip at least the next two osma brackets. They get brittle and can break (Travis p,). The you can twist the front of the osma gutter up out of the brackets just enough that it will be out of your way.

Remove the manufactured endcap on the Marley and clean the inside and outside 20 cm of the gutter so it's spotless (or it will leak). Grease the seal on the new marley stop end with silicon spray or grease. Slide it on the end so guttering (greased or the seals will move) and make sure the front clip is clicked in.

Then clean the osma stop end meticulously and grease it's seal if the seal is more than a few years old they were quite hard rubber and difficult to reseal even with silicon grease. New seals on eBay only or else buy a straight coupler (4T805) from Travis for about £3 and that gets them two new osma seals which are much better edpm seals.

Obviously this is all based on me glancing at the photos for not many seconds. I am not a guttering expert but I have spent much of today cleaning, replacing seals and repairing both Osma and Marley guttering!

All the usual warnings about needing to be competent to work at heights. I use a ladder a lot and would not attempt this work without a standoff and someone footing I could rely on.

I think theirs is osma based on the shape of the bracket but they should check as there are at least 5 manufacturers that look similar and not compatible. If it's osma it will say 4T803 on the bracket and have three holes for screws.

danrv

TELLIT01 said:

danrv said:

TELLIT01 said:

Presumably you have removed the stop end from your guttering as there is no evidence of it in the 2nd photo.  You also need to let your neighbour know that their gutter is full of moss.  It's possible that is also overflowing.

I haven't removed anything. It's how the guttering is but there's something on the end. Will let neighbours know about the moss.

It's very odd.  The exterior shot clearly shows the outer part of a stop end on the gutter to the right (yours?), but internally there is nothing.  Presumably somebody cut the internal part away and simply used sealant to bridge the end.  Lord knows why anybody would do that! Unless it was done when the neighbour had new gutters fitted and they couldn't get the end cap on.  Looking at an enlarged version of the internal photo, the end cap of your gutter has clearly been cut away.

To be honest I'm not sure how you would make a permanent seal at that end without obtaining and fitting the correct end cap.

Thanks. That gives something to go on.
Yes, it could be part of a stop end that's been fitted due to lack of room.
Really odd though about the cut out.

Have been trying to figure a way to block the gap but can't really work safely on it. I best ask a gutter cleaner/repairer to try and fix it as suggested.

Eldi_Dos

@Lorian said
"Taking a end cap off somewhere and pushing the moss out is the method I prefer."

Wish I had read that advice years ago,thanks.

danrv

Lorian said:

That moss will be blocking up their downpipe (where is their and your downpipes?) for sure and needs cleaning before they wonder where the damp is coming from. 

Yes, they did mention a few months ago about damp inside, below the downpipe. Looks like theirs drains into a storm drain/mains.
Good point about the moss possibly contributing to the overflowing problem at the stop ends. I removed and cleared out the downpipe at the other end. I can access it quite easily from the flat garage roof. 

The pipe dumps the water onto the roof which then drains into the garage guttering. 
A downpipe then into a soakaway which I recently had unblocked.
The other stop end is the same type as the problem one and looks to be stuck on quite firmly.
That and the internal brackets make pushing the moss through idea a bit difficult unfortunately.