Contractual Change

Baldytyke88

My employer is changing the day that we get paid, this is a large local authority.

They are moving our pay date from the 16th to the 26th, so they are moving it 10 days, 2 days per month from November to February.

The unions and my employers have failed to agree, so it is being imposed. It seems unfair for some employees to work 10 extra days without being paid.

I don't recall, but when I started to work for this employer, I would perhaps work 2 weeks and then be paid for the month, or perhaps I worked a month before being paid. How does it normally work?

Now they are asking us to work a further 10 days with payout, I think it's wrong.

I am quite happy to have 10 days off and then resume work and then they can delay my pay for 10 days.

https://leedslg.unison.site/2024/08/29/pay-date-change-why-unison-is-opposed-to-the-changes/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFG2hBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUWUNF4HEAIvtMdZL5e_N3LDLUjD7rUlif4msTB6nmnEgEGFi-Ok-1BpLQ_aem_M5RxXBTOetAY4tzHKtZA7w

swingaloo

How are you working ten days without payout? You are just being paid 2 days later each month but they will still be paying you for the hours worked.

cr1mson

I have had a mixture of end of month and paid for that month so 1 month in arrears and paid mid month so effectively half in arrears and half in advance.

I am confused re statement about having 10 days off as then you would get paid 10 days less at end of that month!

Peter999_2

I think you are getting confused, you aren't working for 10 days for free, like others have said you'll still get paid for it.   If you are now getting paid in arrears or half in arrears then when you leave or retire from the company you will get the arrears paid.

That's not to say it's not annoying that they've done this, when it's happened to me before we got a sweetner of a weeks pay to accept it.

Baldytyke88

Peter999_2 said:

I think you are getting confused, you aren't working for 10 days for free, like others have said you'll still get paid for it.   If you are now getting paid in arrears or half in arrears then when you leave or retire from the company you will get the arrears paid.

That's not to say it's not annoying that they've done this, when it's happened to me before we got a sweetner of a weeks pay to accept it.

It hasn't happened yet, I am happy if the union are happy.

If my contract says that I should get paid on the 16th, my union or myself would need to sign a new contract. If there is no new contract signed, what happens?

I am happy with my job and with the contract I signed, I don't want a different contract.

Savvy_Sue

If you don't accept a contractual change, like this, your contract will end and you'll be jobless.

No employer is going to want to have multiple pay days just because some people don't like the change.

When you're paid on 16th, what pay period does that cover, and is that changing? If you're currently paid for a whole calendar month on 16th I can well understand why an employer would want to put that back to 26th. 

Baldytyke88

Savvy_Sue said:

If you don't accept a contractual change, like this, your contract will end and you'll be jobless.

No employer is going to want to have multiple pay days just because some people don't like the change.

When you're paid on 16th, what pay period does that cover, and is that changing? If you're currently paid for a whole calendar month on 16th I can well understand why an employer would want to put that back to 26th. 

I started working for the council in 2007, so I don't recall any details of our pay date. I am sure all employers would like to make changes that save them money, but I have a contract that they want to break. What is the point of a contract if it can be broken without consequences?

NCC1701-A

What are you going to do when they don't pay on 16th and pay on 26th?  

By accepting payment on 26th you will have accepted the change.  

Any recourse you may imagine you have will not be actionable in those 10 days and may end up costing you very much more.  As Savy Sue says, terminating your contract will leave you without any income until you find alternative employment and you have zero chance of suing the council or taking the matter to an Employment tribunal.

400ixl

As far as I am aware you don't need to sign a new contract for this change.

The only real challenge for some people hear is covering that gap of the 10 days where the pay will come retrospectively. Once past that you are in no different a position.

If that transition period is not an issue then there is really no reason to over think this. Maybe looking at changing dates of direct debits would be the only long term impact so they continue to fall in the pay cycle where you want them to.

Ayr_Rage

As the change is being spread over several months it should be very easy to change any DDs or STOs and plan your own spending accordingly.

You are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.

redped

Ayr_Rage said:

As the change is being spread over several months it should be very easy to change any DDs or STOs and plan you own spending accordingly.

You are making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.

I definitely agree - the fact the employer is moving it two days per month shows that they are trying to help their staff, rather than enforcing a 10-day jump in pay dates in one go.