Contractual Change

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Baldytyke88 said:

My employer is changing the day that we get paid, this is a large local authority.

They are moving our pay date from the 16th to the 26th, so they are moving it 10 days, 2 days per month from November to February.

The unions and my employers have failed to agree, so it is being imposed. It seems unfair for some employees to work 10 extra days without being paid.

I don't recall, but when I started to work for this employer, I would perhaps work 2 weeks and then be paid for the month, or perhaps I worked a month before being paid. How does it normally work?

Now they are asking us to work a further 10 days with payout, I think it's wrong.

I am quite happy to have 10 days off and then resume work and then they can delay my pay for 10 days.

https://leedslg.unison.site/2024/08/29/pay-date-change-why-unison-is-opposed-to-the-changes/?fbclid=IwY2xjawFG2hBleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHUWUNF4HEAIvtMdZL5e_N3LDLUjD7rUlif4msTB6nmnEgEGFi-Ok-1BpLQ_aem_M5RxXBTOetAY4tzHKtZA7w

they are not asking you to work 10 days without payment 

all they are doing is moving the pay date 

UNLESS  

IN ADDITION 

they are proposing to change the basis that variable pay is  paid   

often when  peopel are paid  mid month  they are paid basic  mid month to mid month   and  variable pay for the previous calendar  month  ( so only  2 week s in arrears)

when people are paid at the nd of the month they are paid for the calender month and the previous month's  variable pay elements 

 the fact they are moving ther pay  on 2 days each month  is  one  way of doing it , alternatively  as  typically seen with  such movement there;s  is an advance of pay  which is then paid back over a number of months   (  had a move from lunar to calendar  up on tupe and they  did an advnce that  reclaimed  the next month but that meant we got paid 3 times in 2 months  and aligned to the new orgs  calendar month  dates ) 

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Baldytyke88 said:

Peter999_2 said:

I think you are getting confused, you aren't working for 10 days for free, like others have said you'll still get paid for it.   If you are now getting paid in arrears or half in arrears then when you leave or retire from the company you will get the arrears paid.

That's not to say it's not annoying that they've done this, when it's happened to me before we got a sweetner of a weeks pay to accept it.

It hasn't happened yet, I am happy if the union are happy.

If my contract says that I should get paid on the 16th, my union or myself would need to sign a new contract. If there is no new contract signed, what happens?

I am happy with my job and with the contract I signed, I don't want a different contract.

if you  refuse to accept   this kind of change once the  consultation periods  are completed  ( both collective and  if accepted you have a particualr need for individual - which is  ultra rare in something like moving pay dates or changing pay period duration )  it's very  simple you have frustrated  your contract and are deemed to have resigned 

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la531983 said:

What a bizarre thread. Ive been paid on the 30th for about a decade, essentially in arrears, not sure why this is an issue.

you aren;t paid in arrears in every likelihood ,  you are likely paid  1/12th of your annual salary and  any adjustments  and vairable pay paid at the ned of the next month   

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Grumpy_chap said:

If I have read this correctly, it amounts to the OP being paid in arrears at the end of the month rather than being paid mid-month 50 in arrears and 50 in advance.  Paid in arrears at the end of the month is most common so far as I am aware.

There is probably no cost to individuals through this change, but possibly some inconvenience to reschedule direct debits.  The employer can make a relatively small saving of £600k (versus the annual budget) per year through better cashflow reducing interest costs to the organisation.

A win for the employer at no detriment to individuals.  Seems like a sound move.  Other than resistance to change, is the OP citing any other reason to oppose?

generally people are not paid  their basic  pay 'in arrears'  in a monthly pay scenario  - variable pay and corrections are often  a month in arrears though  i.e. you get June's basic pay on 30th june and may;s variable  pay ( unsocial hours / shift pay, overtime  and any  deductions for unpaid leave / sickness if  OSP doesn't kick in from day 1  or you just get SSP) 

 being "paid in arrears"  tends to happen to  flexible / bank / agency staff where you are paid  on thre wednesday - friday of week 2 for  work doine in week 1 

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redped said:

I'm beginning to wonder if this whole thread is a troll post - the OP has been asked multiple times what their objections are, it's being pointed out by (almost) everyone that they won't lose any money, and yet they don't reply to any of the questions with useful info apart from stating that the union doesn't like it, and they've voted to go on strike.

If the OP won't reply to any direct questions then there's no point feeding the troll.

Having been an accredited trades Union representative, the level of wilful and deliberate misunderstanding people engage in , in the  mistaken beleif they might be able to engineer a scenario where  they  get some  extra cash is remarkable , henece the OPs delusion  they ar being deprived of 10 days basic pay