Parking Charge Notice Patcham High School, One Parking Solutions

Coupon-mad

LDast said:

If you never appealed the you cannot appeal to POPLA. You now have to wait and see if/when they issue a Letter of Claim. Please don’t bother telling us about any debt collector letters. You can safely ignore those.

Regarding PoFA, the bit that says: “Failure to pay the full amount of this notice within 28 days of the date of sending…” Now go compare the highlighted bit with PoFA 9(2)(f) and spot the difference in the timeline allowed.

There are other PoFA failures such as 9(2)(a) and (b).

Not quite.

Para 9 of POFA doesn't apply here. It was a case with a windscreen PCN.  But POFA doesn't apply at all because this is a BHCC site.

Also, POPLA never applied here.  OPS are no longer in the BPA AOS so the OP could not have used PoPLA

The thread suggests that this is a recent NTK following a windscreen PCN so (if I'm right with that) the OP is at appeal stage.

On page 1 of this thread I've already said how the OP should appeal, and should try IAS as well for the LOLs, citing the BPA CoP that I think applied on the date of parking.

It makes no sense that the OP cannot log in (to the OPS website) and see the photo of the sign.   I've logged into OPS' website umpteen times and you can always view pictures.  Even a year later.

Try logging in as if to pay. You must be able to see the photos.

What was the date of parking?

What is the date of issue on that NTK?

1505grandad

Just clarifying:-

"I returned to the car and noticed the dreaded PCN under the windscreen wiper."

Para 8 of PoFA therefore applies (not 9  -  although same wording)?

Coupon-mad

Yes as I stated on page one, except POFA doesn't apply as the spaces are owned and provided by BHCC.

LDast

If the land is under statutory control, then PoFA does not apply. However, even if it was relevant land, the NtK fails PoFA 8(2)(f).

Coupon-mad

Which is what I said in page 1 of the thread. https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80952816/#Comment_80952816

  

forummseuser01

Coupon-mad said:

LDast said:

If you never appealed the you cannot appeal to POPLA. You now have to wait and see if/when they issue a Letter of Claim. Please don’t bother telling us about any debt collector letters. You can safely ignore those.

Regarding PoFA, the bit that says: “Failure to pay the full amount of this notice within 28 days of the date of sending…” Now go compare the highlighted bit with PoFA 9(2)(f) and spot the difference in the timeline allowed.

There are other PoFA failures such as 9(2)(a) and (b).

Not quite.

Para 9 of POFA doesn't apply here. It was a case with a windscreen PCN.  But POFA doesn't apply at all because this is a BHCC site.

Also, POPLA never applied here.  OPS are no longer in the BPA AOS so the OP could not have used PoPLA

The thread suggests that this is a recent NTK following a windscreen PCN so (if I'm right with that) the OP is at appeal stage.

On page 1 of this thread I've already said how the OP should appeal, and should try IAS as well for the LOLs, citing the BPA CoP that I think applied on the date of parking.

It makes no sense that the OP cannot log in (to the OPS website) and see the photo of the sign.   I've logged into OPS' website umpteen times and you can always view pictures.  Even a year later.

Try logging in as if to pay. You must be able to see the photos.

What was the date of parking?

What is the date of issue on that NTK?

Hi, thank you. The date of the parking was 24 May 24. The letter is dated 26 June 24.

I did try logging on as if to pay and again as if to appeal but the OPS website does not recognise the reference. 

Coupon-mad

Can you go on foot and get some pics of the OPS signs (close up) and images or a video of how badly delineated the Community Centre area & spaces are from the school?

I was already planning on a formal complaint to the DVLA about the OPS / BHCC contract which treats all sorts of sites as if they were private land when they are not.  Maybe I could do that in liaison with you as I also have a damning photo or two. 

forummseuser01

Coupon-mad said:

Can you go on foot and get some pics of the OPS signs (close up) and images or a video of how badly delineated the Community Centre area & spaces are from the school?

I was already planning on a formal complaint to the DVLA about the OPS / BHCC contract which treats all sorts of sites as if they were private land when they are not.  Maybe I could do that in liaison with you as I also have a damning photo or two. 

Yes, I can do that. I will cycle over there and get some footage.

forummseuser01

Coupon-mad said:

Can you go on foot and get some pics of the OPS signs (close up) and images or a video of how badly delineated the Community Centre area & spaces are from the school?

I was already planning on a formal complaint to the DVLA about the OPS / BHCC contract which treats all sorts of sites as if they were private land when they are not.  Maybe I could do that in liaison with you as I also have a damning photo or two. 

Hi, I finally managed to get down there today to take some pictures. I will post them on here.

forummseuser01

On the day I visited to take the photographs I took the same approach to entering the site as the day in question. The OPS signage at the entrance to the site faces down the road and is not visible from the direction I entered. The signage also shows that I was entering Patcham high school. The gates further down the road were not closed on the day of the PCN. I can tell you there was zero signage regarding the parking beyond the gate. I know because I walked down and checked. As I came back from the school parking (beyond the gate) there was no signage facing in this direction to warn of a change in the parking restrictions and on facing the parking spaces zero signage, just overgrown foliage. The was a great big Patcham School sign, however, so to my mind I was still on the school site. Of course now I can see the poxy OPS black and white signage on the building and along the fence. It still is not, to my mind at least, obvious.