Clean Air Zones

Baldytyke88

I have recently changed my vehicle, I now have a Vivaro van, one with 3 seats in the front.

After reading what each vehicle type had to pay for, I saw that vans were not listed. I assume that it would be £7, but it doesn't say.

Private cars are free, some people have more than one car, but private vans?

I don't mind paying, it's just a tax, but not £120

I received a PCN in the post, I did attempt to pay after I traveled, but I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't register my vehicle, although it was listed.

I now have a £120 PCN instead of a £9-£50 PCN, I have always thought these increases were unfair, no doubt the letter was generated by a computer, so why increase the fine from £9 to £120?

WellKnownSid

Baldytyke88 said:

so why increase the fine from £9 to £120?

You didn't pay, so you were fined.

If the penalty for not paying £9 was to pay £9 nobody would pay the £9 in the hope that they'd get away with it.

Making it £120 (£60 if you pay within 14 days) tends to get people's attention.

Car_54

OP, if you told us which LEZ you were in then you might get more informed answers.

Baldytyke88

Car_54 said:

OP, if you told us which LEZ you were in then you might get more informed answers.

It was Bradford, but registering is via DVLA, so all the info is from DVLA.

Baldytyke88

WellKnownSid said:

Making it £120 (£60 if you pay within 14 days) tends to get people's attention.

I don't think it's fair though, if it works and is fair then DVLA could do it with VED etc too?

cw8825

Baldytyke88 said:

I have recently changed my vehicle, I now have a Vivaro van, one with 3 seats in the front.

After reading what each vehicle type had to pay for, I saw that vans were not listed. I assume that it would be £7, but it doesn't say.

Private cars are free, some people have more than one car, but private vans?

I don't mind paying, it's just a tax, but not £120

I received a PCN in the post, I did attempt to pay after I traveled, but I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't register my vehicle, although it was listed.

I now have a £120 PCN instead of a £9-£50 PCN, I have always thought these increases were unfair, no doubt the letter was generated by a computer, so why increase the fine from £9 to £120?

Light Goods Vehicles and Car-Derived Vans that do not meet the emissions standards required are chargeable regardless of their use, be it private or business. 

Taken from the website

Vans are then listed on the PDF 

I dont see you have any valid reason to appeal. 

molerat

Baldytyke88 said:

WellKnownSid said:

Making it £120 (£60 if you pay within 14 days) tends to get people's attention.

I don't think it's fair though, if it works and is fair then DVLA could do it with VED etc too?

They do.  If you don't pay your VED you have to pay a penalty plus the back duty.  

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-enforcement-policy/dvla-enforcement-of-vehicle-tax-registration-and-insurance-offences

Break the rules it costs you more.

I can't see what was unclear about how much it would cost - £9 - took me about 10 seconds

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/breathe-better-bradford/check-if-you-need-to-pay/check-if-you-need-to-pay/

And you had 6 days from the date of travel to figure it out, there is a phone number if confused / can't pay on line

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/breathe-better-bradford/check-if-you-need-to-pay/how-to-pay-the-daily-caz-charge/

Car_54

Baldytyke88 said:

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I now have a £120 PCN instead of a £9-£50 PCN, I have always thought these increases were unfair, no doubt the letter was generated by a computer, so why increase the fine from £9 to £120?

Because the £9 was not a fine, it was the daily charge which you failed to pay.

born_again

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/breathe-better-bradford/what-help-is-available/exemptions/

Did you check the links that are in the page. As simply saying Vans are not listed is not very good. Given they do not even mention cars...

Baldytyke88

Car_54 said:

Baldytyke88 said:

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I now have a £120 PCN instead of a £9-£50 PCN, I have always thought these increases were unfair, no doubt the letter was generated by a computer, so why increase the fine from £9 to £120?

Because the £9 was not a fine, it was the daily charge which you failed to pay.

I never received a bill, I thought it was 50/50 whether I had entered the zone because I wasn't going into the center.

Why just 7 days to pay?

I would imagine millions will be raised by going from £9 to £60-£120

"Light Goods Vehicles and Car-Derived Vans", it does not mention vans on the main page that I was looking at, I am sure it will if you dig deeper.

I expect to pay, but it should not be £60

bradford.gov.uk/breathe-better-brad  ford/check-if-you-need-to-pay/check-if-you-need-to-pay/

400ixl

You don't get sent a bill, you proactively pay if you are going to enter. You can pay from 6 days before up to 7 days after. If you fail to pay that then you will get a bill sent to you in the form of a penalty charge which as you have seen is significantly more.

If you expected to pay, they you should have proactively paid as per the website. You filed to do so and as such have been fined for not doing so.

All clean air zone schemes work this way.

7 days is more than enough time to pay, why would you expect it to be more?