Car not fully stopping sometimes at traffic lights

1990xrider

born_again said:

1990xrider said:

So told the dealer under CRA 2015 he is responsible for repairing the car but as I don't trust him to do it, I've offered to have the car repaired myself and he can reimburse me. I have mentioned how he has technically sold me an unroadworthy vehicle, and how I will have to consider small claims action if he won't reimburse me. 

The only other option I see is he repairs it BUT with the caveat of an independent technician inspecting it after, and maybe done within a certain time frame because I need it for work. And peobably would have to ask for them to tow it as it's not fit to be on the roads. 

If you have it repaired elsewhere, dealer does not have to refund you & you are introducing further complications where selling dealer can simply blame 3rd party for any issues.

TBH, if it is not doing it all the time, (it's only happened twice)  in 5K miles.. How many breaking events in 5K? Then it is not grease on the disks.
I've noticed one side of the pedal is firmer than the other = Foot slipping off pedal & releasing brakes.

I think you would have one hell of a job to prove a unroadworthy vehicle. Given mileage covered & number of times it has happened.

Its done 2.5k miles, not 5k. 
I don't even have to prove its unroadworthy per se, I can prove there is a fault for it and there is no way it is anyone else's fault but the dealer as no one else has touched those brakes. From reading, you cannot get copper grease on brake discs, it will cause brakes to fail even just intermittently and can even cause a fire apparently. 

Surely the dealer can only blame the 3rd party if any issues happen after it is repaired?

Ultimately I think its fair enough to not get it repaired by the dealer as it is their fault the car is malfunctioning because they were the ones who put new front brake pads in. 

I can guarantee you it is not my foot slipping off the pedal and releasing the brakes. This is 100% a mechanical fault with the car, it is not driver error. I have tried to replicate the issue without success, by doing things like slipping my foot off the pedal. The car physically will not come to a stop when this issue occurs, it takes repeated attempts. 

1990xrider

Also it's not my job to prove the vehicle was unroadworthy, the CRA assumes that if the car develops a fault within 6 months of purchase, the fault was there at time of purchase. 

Mildly_Miffed

1990xrider said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

So the issue isn't the copper grease, but the volume of it. Very strange how it'd take 5,000 miles to work its way to the friction surface, though. You'd think the rotational forces would fling it outwards, and any heat-related spread onto the friction surfaces would be first time they got warm.

Two minutes with a can of brake cleaner and some blue paper while the pads were out would have sorted that, though - no need to replace pads, and certainly no need to replace discs.

*2,000. 

The copper grease has contaminated the brake disc beyond repair

Sorry, I was going with your earlier "70k when bought, 75k now" comment.

But that's utter cobblers. How can some copper grease "contaminate beyond repair" a solid slab of steel?

And your consumer rights are tempered by reasonable expectations for used goods of that type/age/condition. So forget the caliper and fluid.

Honestly, if this really IS just too much copaslip, then an hour's labour from drive-in-to-drive-out (most of which was done when they investigated) and - if we must - a new set of pads. But they'll almost certainly be just fine after a clean-up. The discs DEFINITELY will.

Mildly_Miffed

facade said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

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While that rear caliper's being replaced, the fluid's being bled through that one corner, so bleeding the other three isn't a lot of extra work, especially since the front wheels are off anyway.

With aluminium brake callipers- on a 12 year old car?  You don't touch the bleed nipples unless it is an absolute emergency! If they don't shear off they will just bring the threads out with them.

How else are you planning on getting the old fluid out of the calipers?

Anybody half-way competent should be able to get those nips out with no issue at all, unless they're really manky, in which case the previous maintenance has been skipped badly, and the fluid's even more ready to be done.

born_again

1990xrider said:

born_again said:

1990xrider said:

So told the dealer under CRA 2015 he is responsible for repairing the car but as I don't trust him to do it, I've offered to have the car repaired myself and he can reimburse me. I have mentioned how he has technically sold me an unroadworthy vehicle, and how I will have to consider small claims action if he won't reimburse me. 

The only other option I see is he repairs it BUT with the caveat of an independent technician inspecting it after, and maybe done within a certain time frame because I need it for work. And peobably would have to ask for them to tow it as it's not fit to be on the roads. 

If you have it repaired elsewhere, dealer does not have to refund you & you are introducing further complications where selling dealer can simply blame 3rd party for any issues.

TBH, if it is not doing it all the time, (it's only happened twice)  in 5K miles.. How many breaking events in 5K? Then it is not grease on the disks.
I've noticed one side of the pedal is firmer than the other = Foot slipping off pedal & releasing brakes.

I think you would have one hell of a job to prove a unroadworthy vehicle. Given mileage covered & number of times it has happened.

Its done 2.5k miles, not 5k. 
I don't even have to prove its unroadworthy per se, I can prove there is a fault for it and there is no way it is anyone else's fault but the dealer as no one else has touched those brakes. From reading, you cannot get copper grease on brake discs, it will cause brakes to fail even just intermittently and can even cause a fire apparently. 

Surely the dealer can only blame the 3rd party if any issues happen after it is repaired?

Ultimately I think its fair enough to not get it repaired by the dealer as it is their fault the car is malfunctioning because they were the ones who put new front brake pads in. 

I can guarantee you it is not my foot slipping off the pedal and releasing the brakes. This is 100% a mechanical fault with the car, it is not driver error. I have tried to replicate the issue without success, by doing things like slipping my foot off the pedal. The car physically will not come to a stop when this issue occurs, it takes repeated attempts. 

I suggest you go back through your previous posts & check.🤷‍♀️We can only go by the info you post. 

As I said if you are going to court do you think a judge will think that 2 instances over the mileage covered = a unroadworthy car?

I'm out anyway. 👍

1990xrider

The dealer got back to me

 he's repeating that they will give me the parts and i can get it repaired at the garage of my choice, he's claiming they don't use copper grease, and is saying that the brake pads were done at the garage which did the tyres, and that they wouldn't cause this issue

1990xrider

They are saying they will repair it BUT they won't fix the calipher, the dealer says the calipher would be the cause of the problem ironically enough. 

Mildly_Miffed

1990xrider said:

They are saying they will repair it BUT they won't fix the calipher, the dealer says the calipher would be the cause of the problem ironically enough. 

I thought it was a REAR caliper that was sticking...?

1990xrider

Mildly_Miffed said:

1990xrider said:

They are saying they will repair it BUT they won't fix the calipher, the dealer says the calipher would be the cause of the problem ironically enough. 

I thought it was a REAR caliper that was sticking...?

Yes it is, so I don't really think that would cause it but he said thats where brake fade comes from. 

Mildly_Miffed

1990xrider said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

1990xrider said:

They are saying they will repair it BUT they won't fix the calipher, the dealer says the calipher would be the cause of the problem ironically enough. 

I thought it was a REAR caliper that was sticking...?

Yes it is, so I don't really think that would cause it but he said thats where brake fade comes from. 

This guy is either a clueless halfwit or taking you for one.