Why do I need two FTTP connections?

iniltous

No , they won’t use the Virgin toby box , if there hasn’t recently been excavation on behalf of Openreach ( so new scars in the footpaths etc ) and a similar Toby box installed for Openreach , then the method will be to duct from the footway jointbox to your house wall , but only if an order is made , obviously if you have an Openreach jointbox directly in front of the property it will be ducted from there , if you have jointboxes to the left and right of the property ( but not in front ) then either may be the one they will provide duct from ….
https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome

you can check what the Openreach survey has for your address here , the results looks like this 

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG Feed with no anticipated issues.

this is for a ducted property, yours may say ‘built  to curtilage’ but unlikely if no new toby box , or ( most probably ) ‘partial DIG’ , 

Share your checker return , including if it states KCI2 assure or single stage .

35har1old

dogfonos said:

Staying with an FTTC connection is really only viable in the short term. Having read up on the matter of FTTP/FTTC, I'd need to justify my need to stay on FTTC and disruption to my front garden almost certainly won't be considered a valid reason. Fair enough, I accept that. Even though I still have an inactive Virgin Media connection, I like to have a choice of provider so I'll change to FTTP at some point.

If I can work out where the connection in the street will be made, I'll be in a better position to determine the optimum fibre route from street into my home (from my perspective anyway). On the public pavement, a few inches from my boundary wall, there's a triangular black plastic plate approx 4 or 5 inches each side and it's marked "CATV". I think this is where the original Cable & Wireless cable originated? Will the OpenReach fibre also start at this point?

No it should be from a chamber approx 500mm x 900mm you phoneline currently could be fed from a small steel upstand

dogfonos

OpenReach survey results:

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG partial Direct In Ground.

KCI2 Assure.

Other than the triangular plastic cover labelled CATV, there's no other visible pavement furniture within many metres of my property boundary with the pavement and street (apart from a water stopcock cover).

iniltous

Partial DIG and KCI2 , your address is currently served by an underground armoured copper cable (DIG) the age of the property means this was the standard used at the time ( no duct ) .

Your address requires a two stage installation (KCI2 ) ….…..nearby in an existing PO/BT/OR jointbox ( in the footpath ) will be recently installed Openreach full  fibre equipment, this could be upto 100 metres away but chances are will be much closer , 100m is the furthest away it can be , typically it will be 20 m or less .

If you order FTTP , (because you are DIG )  , a trench will be excavated from this jointbox to your house wall ,and ducting installed , so along the footpath and continuing through your garden to your house wall , once this work is done the FTTP optical cable is installed in this  new duct and left coiled at the house wall , this is the first stage done , that triggers  the second stage ( the contractual appointment date ) where the installation is completed ( installer fitting the CSP ,the  ONT , does the authentication of the circuit  etc ) , they may fit the CSP on the first stage if the cabler is feeling helpful, but conversely they may leave the cabling for the second stage installer , this is a minor detail, the job is done in 2 discrete steps, the first stage may take a while depending on what’s needed ( footpath closure, council noticing etc ) 

dogfonos

iniltous said:

Your address requires a two stage installation (KCI2 ) ….…..nearby in an existing PO/BT/OR jointbox ( in the footpath ) will be recently installed Openreach full  fibre equipment, this could be upto 100 metres away but chances are will be much closer , 100m is the furthest away it can be , typically it will be 20 m or less .

I can see two telecommunications joint boxes (at least I think that's what they are) sited on the pavement. They are pale grey in colour. At a guess, these boxes are about 80-90 metres away in opposite directions - one is in my street (so would probably involve a pavement only cable run) the other is positioned in a nearby street (probably would involve cable run crossing a road).

Thanks for explaining the process. It's been an education!

iniltous

If the box containing the fibre CBT ( connectorised block terminal ) is that far away , it certainly will be an expensive installation for Openreach , probably in the order of £3-4K , but you don’t pay anything, and the houses the duct goes past to get  to your house  are partially enabled in that should any of those properties order FTTP after you , the excavation for them will break into the duct laid for you , in the same way , if a neighbour ever further away from the joint box ordered , the duct running past your house would be intercepted to give you service .