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APCOA Penalty Notice - POPLA appeal stage - mistake?

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  • Still no POPLA decision - anyone else waiting a while? 
  • Grizebeck
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    It is irrelevant 
  • Appeal successful with POPLA! They allowed it in the grounds that the operator cannot issue penalty notices if the landowner contract mentions PCNs. Thank you to all posters in this thread for your help with this.
  • Gr1pr
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    Excellent, please add this to the POPLA Decisions thread near the top of the forum, linking this thread 

    Please add a redacted copy of the Popla decision below too
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 10 October 2024 at 10:34PM
    This should be front and centre of all POPLA appeals re APCOA at railway stations. Thanks for leading the way. This is a new appeal point (can't recall who first spotted it but kudos to them!).

    As it is now all over, please tell us the date of decision and the POPLA Code (which it is now safe to share as it's a completed case).
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  • LDast
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    edited 11 October 2024 at 7:34AM
    The APCOA "penalty" is not a real penalty. It is an offered contract in which APCOA promises not to prosecute for an alleged breach of Byelaws, on condition that you pay them £100 or whatever. Nobody has any obligation to accept an offered contract, so nobody has any legal obligation to pay APCOA the requested amount.

    Complaint already sent to BPA asking for clarification.

    APCOA issued Penalty Notices should be challenged on the basis that it is unclear whether APCOA is enforcing this under the Railway Byelaws (in which case, prosecution should follow for non-payment) or under private contract law (in which case criminal penalties should not be mentioned).

    If APCOA is enforcing this as a private matter, the mention of criminal penalties and prosecution is unlawful and an attempt to pressure you into paying.

    The fact that POPLA is referenced suggests this is being treated as a private parking charge, but they are using byelaw language. This inconsistency is grounds for challenging the legitimacy of the notice.

    Why is APCOA, a private company, the recipient of payment for a statutory penalty? If the charge is under byelaws, payment should be to the relevant authority (e.g., the TOC or Network Rail)
  • LDast
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    This is the letter sent to the BPA:
    British Parking Association
    Head Office

    
Haywards Heath, West Sussex, RH16 1BA
    
Email: info@britishparking.co.uk

    7th October 2024

    Subject: Formal Complaint Regarding APCOA's Misuse of Penalty Notices Under Railway Byelaws

    Dear Sirs,

    I am writing to raise a formal complaint on behalf of numerous motorists who have received "Penalty Notices" from APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd, issued under railway byelaws. These are not Parking Charge Notices and I understand the differences. At this stage, I do not intend to identify the individual motorists involved, as this complaint is being raised to clarify the BPA's position on the issue and to seek your response on whether APCOA’s practices align with the BPA's Code of Practice.

    It is important to highlight that these "Penalty Notices" are not actual statutory penalties but rather an "offered contract" in which APCOA requests a payment of £100 in exchange for not pursuing prosecution. However, it is a well-established principle that nobody has any obligation to accept an offered contract, and thus no motorist has any legal obligation to pay the amount requested by APCOA. This is a significant point that needs clarification from the BPA.

    I am already in the process of raising this issue with both APCOA and the DVLA, and I expect the BPA to address this complaint seriously and transparently, without attempting to obfuscate or dismiss the concerns. Specifically, I would appreciate the BPA’s response to the following:

    1. Misleading Notices: The "Penalty Notices" issued by APCOA give the false impression that motorists are legally obligated to pay, when in reality, it is merely an offered contract that can be freely rejected. This is misleading and unfair to the recipients, and I would like to know whether the BPA considers this practice consistent with its Code of Practice.

    2. Misuse of KADOE Data: I am also concerned that APCOA may be misusing vehicle keeper data obtained through the DVLA’s KADOE system. Keeper data is intended to be used for the enforcement of statutory penalties or legitimate parking charges, yet APCOA is using it to pursue payments for an optional contract that has no legal backing. I request the BPA’s position on this potential misuse of data.

    3. No Legal Obligation to Pay: As mentioned, there is no obligation for any motorist to accept APCOA’s offered contract. The BPA needs to clarify whether APCOA’s notices are misleading motorists into believing they must pay, when in fact they are under no legal obligation to do so.

    At this stage, my intention is to clarify the BPA's position on these practices. Should I not receive a satisfactory response, I will be raising this matter with the appropriate government departments and ministers, where potential liability for the BPA may also become a factor.

    I look forward to your full and transparent response on this matter, as it is critical that the BPA ensures its members adhere to fair and lawful practices.

    Yours faithfully,

    B789 (I used my real name)


  • Umkomaas
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    👆 Nice one. Looking forward to read their reply!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • This should be front and centre of all POPLA appeals re APCOA at railway stations. Thanks for leading the way. This is a new appeal point (can't recall who first spotted it but kudos to them!).

    As it is now all over, please tell us the date of decision and the POPLA Code (which it is now safe to share as it's a completed case).
    Thanks - I just did as I was told! The code is 0511844044 and the decision is dated 10 October. 
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