Airbnb host claim for damages

DullGreyGuy

akkers said:

So if it goes to Airbnb dispute resolution and you don’t agree then the host has to take legal action themselves? Or can Airbnb take legal action on behalf the host?

Your question is incomplete... if you agree or not is broadly irrelevant. If the hosts alleges you caused damages and AirBnB are unable to recover funds then it would be down to the host to litigate. If they do manage to secure funds and you disagree then it would be up to you to litigate against the host. 

Any court action is going to be you -v- the host.

akkers

And if the host is based in another country far away hos can they litigate?

user1977

akkers said:

And if the host is based in another country far away hos can they litigate?

Yes, in principle no reason why they can't. Whether the hassle is worth their while is another matter.

oldagetraveller1

"Yeah, timestamped photos are really important... like the one I took above at just after midnight in London"

Do you have access to a time machine?

Money_Grabber13579

oldagetraveller1 said:

"Yeah, timestamped photos are really important... like the one I took above at just after midnight in London"

Do you have access to a time machine?

I think that was exactly the point being made…

Ergates

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Unless you took time-stamped photos of the apartment before you left, you won't be able to prove anything

Yeah, timestamped photos are really important... like the one I took above at just after midnight in London

   

That's not quite the time-stamping I meant.  I think there's a way of time-stamping a photo using metadata or whatever it's called, the data that sits in the file, rather than just adding a typed date and time to the image itself.  I suspect even that can be amended, but this isn't a murder case.

There is the Exif meta data but it just takes the date/time set on the device taking the picture which obviously can be set by the person taking the photo. Even if you forget to change the clock before taking the photo it's easy to edit after taking the photo and many photo editing techniques strip the exif data.

The other frequent suggestion is to take the photo with today's paper in it but that only proves the earliest it could have been taken (useful for the OP when leaving) but clearly you could make a photo look older by getting last week's paper which the owner could have done if their mates trashed the place a few days after the OP left. 


Its not a murder case but people do dig and argue... full disclosure, did insurance claims for too many years (third party not policyholders) and many have no qualms about making false claims (favourite was a gold bracelet damaged in an RTA... they sent an evaluation report saying it was worth £20k and couldn't be repaired. Asked for the item to be sent in and it looked like junk and felt much lighter than the evaluation report stated (didnt have scales in the office) so sent it to our jewellery people, came back with a page from the Argos catalogue where the same item was still for sale for £30 - 9ct gold plate, not the 22ct solid gold claimed)

Clearly what you have to do is take a photo of yourself drinking milk that has the best before date visible, whilst reading today's newpaper.

DullGreyGuy

Ergates said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Unless you took time-stamped photos of the apartment before you left, you won't be able to prove anything

Yeah, timestamped photos are really important... like the one I took above at just after midnight in London

   

That's not quite the time-stamping I meant.  I think there's a way of time-stamping a photo using metadata or whatever it's called, the data that sits in the file, rather than just adding a typed date and time to the image itself.  I suspect even that can be amended, but this isn't a murder case.

There is the Exif meta data but it just takes the date/time set on the device taking the picture which obviously can be set by the person taking the photo. Even if you forget to change the clock before taking the photo it's easy to edit after taking the photo and many photo editing techniques strip the exif data.

The other frequent suggestion is to take the photo with today's paper in it but that only proves the earliest it could have been taken (useful for the OP when leaving) but clearly you could make a photo look older by getting last week's paper which the owner could have done if their mates trashed the place a few days after the OP left. 


Its not a murder case but people do dig and argue... full disclosure, did insurance claims for too many years (third party not policyholders) and many have no qualms about making false claims (favourite was a gold bracelet damaged in an RTA... they sent an evaluation report saying it was worth £20k and couldn't be repaired. Asked for the item to be sent in and it looked like junk and felt much lighter than the evaluation report stated (didnt have scales in the office) so sent it to our jewellery people, came back with a page from the Argos catalogue where the same item was still for sale for £30 - 9ct gold plate, not the 22ct solid gold claimed)

Clearly what you have to do is take a photo of yourself drinking milk that has the best before date visible, whilst reading today's newpaper.

Going a tad off topic now but as a cynical former claims handler... how do I know the milk in the container is the milk originally sold in it? Could have cleaned out an old container found and refilled it with fresh milk.

user1977

DullGreyGuy said:

Ergates said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Unless you took time-stamped photos of the apartment before you left, you won't be able to prove anything

Yeah, timestamped photos are really important... like the one I took above at just after midnight in London

   

That's not quite the time-stamping I meant.  I think there's a way of time-stamping a photo using metadata or whatever it's called, the data that sits in the file, rather than just adding a typed date and time to the image itself.  I suspect even that can be amended, but this isn't a murder case.

There is the Exif meta data but it just takes the date/time set on the device taking the picture which obviously can be set by the person taking the photo. Even if you forget to change the clock before taking the photo it's easy to edit after taking the photo and many photo editing techniques strip the exif data.

The other frequent suggestion is to take the photo with today's paper in it but that only proves the earliest it could have been taken (useful for the OP when leaving) but clearly you could make a photo look older by getting last week's paper which the owner could have done if their mates trashed the place a few days after the OP left. 


Its not a murder case but people do dig and argue... full disclosure, did insurance claims for too many years (third party not policyholders) and many have no qualms about making false claims (favourite was a gold bracelet damaged in an RTA... they sent an evaluation report saying it was worth £20k and couldn't be repaired. Asked for the item to be sent in and it looked like junk and felt much lighter than the evaluation report stated (didnt have scales in the office) so sent it to our jewellery people, came back with a page from the Argos catalogue where the same item was still for sale for £30 - 9ct gold plate, not the 22ct solid gold claimed)

Clearly what you have to do is take a photo of yourself drinking milk that has the best before date visible, whilst reading today's newpaper.

Going a tad off topic now but as a cynical former claims handler... how do I know the milk in the container is the milk originally sold in it? Could have cleaned out an old container found and refilled it with fresh milk.

At least it's a good job nobody has developed a way of manipulating images to amend small details like that...