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Pension Death Benefit to paid into deceased's estate - will this make it subject to Inheritance Tax?

CalvinHobs
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edited 27 June 2024 at 11:46AM in Deaths, funerals & probate
My long-term partner died earlier this year - she was under 75 and had a private Defined Contribution pension. The scheme trustees have decided not to pay the death benefit lump sum to the nominated beneficiary but propose to pay it into the estate instead. The total value of the estate is above the nil-rate band of £325,000 (before this lump sum payment).

Yesterday, I called the pension company and asked if this means IHT will be payable on the death benefit. After querying it with their technical team the helpdesk advisor told me "Yes - it will be subject to IHT if the value of the estate is above the £325,000 threshold".

Initially, I took their answer to be correct. However, looking at the relevant form - IHT409 - it makes me question if it really is correct. These are the specific questions on the IHT409 form:

11. Could the deceased, right up to their death, have signed a binding ‘nomination’ which obliged the trustees of the pension scheme to make a payment to a person nominated by the deceased?
No / Yes
If Yes, go to question 15

12. Was it at the trustees’ discretion to choose who should receive the death benefit?
No / Yes

15. Amount of the death benefit payment
 £____________
 Include this amount in form IHT400, box 56, unless you answered Yes to question 12

My answers to the above questions are:
11 - No
12 - Yes
15 - Leave blank and the amount is not carried to form IHT400

From the above, it seems the question of whether or not death benefit is taxable hinges on Q12, i.e. as it was at the trustees' discretion who should receive the death benefit then it is not subject to IHT.

Form IHT409 does not include a question asking if the death benefit was paid into the estate. Q16 does ask the name of the person who received the death benefit. If the scheme trustees' decision is accepted, this will be me, in my capacity as administrator of the estate.

I had assumed that all of the estate above the nil-rate band would automatically be subject to IHT. Reading guidance online, the term "taxable estate" is used. So my question is: In this case, is pension death benefit part of the taxable estate or not?

Thanks in advance.
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  • Marcon
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    My long-term partner died earlier this year - she was under 75 and had a private Defined Contribution pension. The scheme trustees have decided not to pay the death benefit lump sum to the nominated beneficiary but propose to pay it into the estate instead. The total value of the estate is above the nil-rate band of £325,000 (before this lump sum payment).

    Yesterday, I called the pension company and asked if this means IHT will be payable on the death benefit. After querying it with their technical team the helpdesk advisor told me "Yes - it will be subject to IHT if the value of the estate is above the £325,000 threshold".

    Initially, I took their answer to be correct. However, looking at the relevant form - IHT409 - it makes me question if it really is correct. These are the specific questions on the IHT409 form:

    11. Could the deceased, right up to their death, have signed a binding ‘nomination’ which obliged the trustees of the pension scheme to make a payment to a person nominated by the deceased?
    No / Yes
    If Yes, go to question 15

    12. Was it at the trustees’ discretion to choose who should receive the death benefit?
    No / Yes

    15. Amount of the death benefit payment
     £____________
     Include this amount in form IHT400, box 56, unless you answered Yes to question 12

    My answers to the above questions are:
    11 - No
    12 - Yes
    15 - Leave blank and the amount is not carried to form IHT400

    From the above, it seems the question of whether or not death benefit is taxable hinges on Q12, i.e. as it was at the trustees' discretion who should receive the death benefit then it is not subject to IHT.

    Form IHT409 does not include a question asking if the death benefit was paid into the estate. Q16 does ask the name of the person who received the death benefit. If the scheme trustees' decision is accepted, this will be me, in my capacity as administrator of the estate.

    I had assumed that all of the estate above the nil-rate band would automatically be subject to IHT. Reading guidance online, the term "taxable estate" is used. So my question is: In this case, is pension death benefit part of the taxable estate or not?

    Thanks in advance.
    Refer the pension company to https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/inheritance-tax-manual/ihtm17051 and ask why they think it should be subject to IHT.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • CalvinHobs
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    Marcon said:
    Refer the pension company to https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/inheritance-tax-manual/ihtm17051 and ask why they think it should be subject to IHT.
    Thank-you for the link - I had not found that when searching online. I sent an email to the pension company, including the link. I suspect their response will be "We are unable to offer tax advice" or similar. We shall see...
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  • Marcon
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    Marcon said:
    Refer the pension company to https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/inheritance-tax-manual/ihtm17051 and ask why they think it should be subject to IHT.
    Thank-you for the link - I had not found that when searching online. I sent an email to the pension company, including the link. I suspect their response will be "We are unable to offer tax advice" or similar. We shall see...
    If they do, go back and point out that they have already offered tax 'advice' by telling you (incorrectly) that the payment would be subject to IHT, and you aren't asking for advice - just an explanation of how their view on the IHT position reconciles with HMRC's take on matters.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • Marcon
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    My long-term partner died earlier this year - she was under 75 and had a private Defined Contribution pension. 

    Should have added - age isn't relevant for IHT purposes.

    If she'd been over 75 the payment (whether to the estate or otherwise) would potentially be subject to income tax.
    Googling on your question might have been both quicker and easier, if you're only after simple facts rather than opinions!  
  • CalvinHobs
    CalvinHobs Posts: 52 Forumite
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    edited 1 July 2024 at 11:05AM
    Marcon said:
    My long-term partner died earlier this year - she was under 75 and had a private Defined Contribution pension. 

    Should have added - age isn't relevant for IHT purposes.

    If she'd been over 75 the payment (whether to the estate or otherwise) would potentially be subject to income tax.
    Ah, I see - thanks for clarifying. The guidance I read said only that death benefit lump sums where the deceased was 75 or over are taxed. It did not specify income tax - so I thought they were referring to IHT.

    Confirmed on the .gov website here:
    Tax on a private pension you inherit
    If in doubt... do nowt.
  • For anyone looking for a definitive answer to this in future, I found the following guidance online:

    Deceased’s estate has a right to death benefits

    Any death benefits payable to the deceased’s estate or personal representatives, as of right at the date of death, form part of the deceased’s estate for IHT purposes. 

    To avoid a charge under this provision, it is important to make sure that the trustees/Scheme Administrator have discretion over the payment of death benefits. This will avoid the death benefits being treated as part of the deceased’s estate even if the trustees exercise their discretion in favour of the deceased’s estate

    Source: Pension-death-benefits-inheritance-tax-29.08.2023.pdf (riskassured.co.uk)


    I also called the HMRC IHT helpline and put this question to them. HMRC confirmed the above, i.e. where the pension scheme administrator/trustees have discretion as to whom the death benefit is paid, then it is not subject to IHT even if they decide to pay it to the estate.

    This guidance is true for tax year 2024-25. There is no reason to think it will change in future but best to check with HMRC on current IHT rules. 
    If in doubt... do nowt.
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