Dismissal on probation

_Diana_

sheramber said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

I decided that unless I find another solution I will write to MP. They have to do something to protect rights of employees during first two years of their employment.

You will need to wait until you have an MP after the General ELection.

I am aware of this. Thanks.

ArbitraryRandom

_Diana_ said:

It's a reply to the last two comments: you mix up ethics and legislation.

I think you are mixing up 'ethics' and 'how you would have preferred them to behave'...? 

You acknowledge that an objective assessment of 'ethical behaviour' in any instance is based on comparison to social noms when you say what you want is to demonstrate they have acted 'below all ethical norms'.

You then fail to provide any example or evidence of them behaving outside the current norm.

Hence the responses you have (and likely will continue) to receive.  

Mr.Generous

_Diana_ said:

Mr.Generous said:

Wonder if it was based on referencing? Can take a couple of months to get them back, reviewed and a decision made. Did you have to provide any? If so, maybe start working for a mate and get them to request a reference so you can see what they say...

They asked me whether I need a reference and I told them that I do not need (I will request references from another employers). Anyway, I think that if I need their reference they would provide a good one.

I was thinking about any reference they got, not one they will give you. Did this employer ask you to provide a reference, or in any way ask your permission to contact previous employers?

_Diana_

Mr.Generous said:

_Diana_ said:

Mr.Generous said:

Wonder if it was based on referencing? Can take a couple of months to get them back, reviewed and a decision made. Did you have to provide any? If so, maybe start working for a mate and get them to request a reference so you can see what they say...

They asked me whether I need a reference and I told them that I do not need (I will request references from another employers). Anyway, I think that if I need their reference they would provide a good one.

I was thinking about any reference they got, not one they will give you. Did this employer ask you to provide a reference, or in any way ask your permission to contact previous employers?

Mr.Generous said:

_Diana_ said:

Mr.Generous said:

Wonder if it was based on referencing? Can take a couple of months to get them back, reviewed and a decision made. Did you have to provide any? If so, maybe start working for a mate and get them to request a reference so you can see what they say...

They asked me whether I need a reference and I told them that I do not need (I will request references from another employers). Anyway, I think that if I need their reference they would provide a good one.

I was thinking about any reference they got, not one they will give you. Did this employer ask you to provide a reference, or in any way ask your permission to contact previous employers?

Mr.Generous said:

_Diana_ said:

Mr.Generous said:

Wonder if it was based on referencing? Can take a couple of months to get them back, reviewed and a decision made. Did you have to provide any? If so, maybe start working for a mate and get them to request a reference so you can see what they say...

They asked me whether I need a reference and I told them that I do not need (I will request references from another employers). Anyway, I think that if I need their reference they would provide a good one.

I was thinking about any reference they got, not one they will give you. Did this employer ask you to provide a reference, or in any way ask your permission to contact previous employers?

Sorry for miscommunication. No, they did not ask a reference and have never contacted my previous employer.

hyubh

_Diana_ said:

Recently, I got a 6-month employment contract with a private company. During two months of my employment, I successfully accomplished all working tasks and did not get any negative feedback or criticism from colleagues and managers. I even got some emails where they gave positive feedback on my work. At the end of the second month, they told me that my set of skills does not fit their requirements and they will terminate my employment in one week notice what is in line with my contract (I was on probation).

Company over-hired and is losing money, so last in, first out...? Not saying that is the case, but none of the discussion so far seems to have considered it.

MattMattMattUK

I just do not get this, you can be let go for any reason during your probation period, or indeed at any point during the first two years provided they follow what is in the contract and are not doing it to discriminate against a protected characteristic. You have no grounds to argue this, you have no legal basis to contest it and I really cannot see any MP caring in the slightest. You were not a good fit for the company, that is the end of it.

Undervalued

_Diana_ said:

Undervalued said:

Jude57 said:

_Diana_ said:

It's a reply to the last two comments: you mix up ethics and legislation.

Be aware that throwing around accusations that a previous employer was 'unethical' without concrete, irrefutable evidence is likely to be seen by potential future employers as a red flag against you. Badmouthing previous employers isn't wise in most circumstances and if your previous employer finds out, failing probation could be the least of your problems.

There's nothing inherently unethical in an employer seeking to quickly terminate an unsatisfactory employee and minimising the costs of addressing the failings. Recruitment and training are expensive processes for employers and, frankly, they're entitled to cut their losses if they feel that the employee isn't worth further investment. It's harsh but it's a fact of life.

Based on what you've written, you/your skills unfortunately weren't a good fit, the company gave you appropriate, paid notice and offered a reference which you declined. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the company might have been willing to provide a reference saying that you mutually agreed that it wasn't working out and both decided to part ways. That reference is now unlikely to be negotiable and you'll need to leave that period of employment off your CV - unless you are applying for a regulated role where you are required to provide full details of every day of your working life. 

Be aware that a reference must, legally, be truthful and not deliberately misleading. Your former employer saying that you failed probation and were terminated after two months is absolutely true and they are entitled to say that and no more, if they choose.

Other posters recommending you put this behind you and move on are speaking from experience and it really is in your best interests to do just that. Forget your campaign against what you see as unethical behaviour by your  previous employer. Find a new job and perhaps be less passive in the probation period by actively seeking feedback on your performance. 

Absolutely.

Remember too that in giving a reference an employer owes an equal duty to both the former employee and the prospective employer.

Guys, I am not a young person. I have been working in this country for more than 20 years. I know very well how all aspects of recruitment (including referencing) work. I am not going to argue about references here just because it's out of scope of this thread.

That is not how it comes across in this thread!