Dismissal on probation

LinLui

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

I decided that unless I find another solution I will write to MP. They have to do something to protect rights of employees during first two years of their employment.

No, they don't.

_Diana_

LinLui said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

I decided that unless I find another solution I will write to MP. They have to do something to protect rights of employees during first two years of their employment.

No, they don't.

I mean that they may change a legislation by somehow. I do think that they will intervene into a situation that has already happened.

LinLui

_Diana_ said:

LinLui said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

I decided that unless I find another solution I will write to MP. They have to do something to protect rights of employees during first two years of their employment.

No, they don't.

I mean that they may change a legislation by somehow. I do think that they will intervene into a situation that has already happened.

I knew what you meant. There has never been a period when employees got legal rights against most forms of dismissal from day one. I doubt there will ever be. So my answer still stands - they won't change legislation. And even if they did, in the end the employer decides whether you have the skills they need, and no law is ever going to tell an employer that they must employ someone when they don't. The only real difference that two years would have made to you would have been that they had to jump through a few more hoops to do what they did - not that you could have stopped them. 

400ixl

Why have they been unethical?

Unethical would have been to know that your face didn't fit but to have dragged it out until the end of your probation and then let you go.

They appear to have realised you weren't going to fit (for whatever reason) and let you know they will be releasing you. As long as those reasons were not against the law then they have acted ethically.

Don't take it personally, sometimes people just don't fit and they will try to be nice and give reasons, when really it could just be a culture fit.

Yo may also need that reference, as some companies insist that it is from your last employer. Unless you plan to lie on your CV by omitting the role.

Good luck with the search for the next role, hopefully you will find that company that really fits for you and you will see this as a blessing in the end.

TELLIT01

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Their actions are not below ethical norms.  They gave you the required notice and that is all they are required to do.  What actions do you think they should have taken which they failed to do?  As others have said, in most situations there is no security of employment if you have been with an employer for under 2 years.

_Diana_

It's a reply to the last two comments: you mix up ethics and legislation.

Tucosalamanca

It's a six month contract. They won't have the time or inclination to manage your performance in any depth.

The employer wants an employee 'who can hit the ground running', fulfil their requirements for six months, then leave.

You don't appear to have been the employee that they were looking for.

They haven't been unethical or unfair. They gave you an opportunity and it didn't work out. Move on to the next role...

_Diana_

LinLui said:

_Diana_ said:

LinLui said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

DE_612183 said:

_Diana_ said:

DE_612183 said:

Not sure what you are asking - you don't say what you want to happen - you don't want the job, you don't want compensation.

Move on get another job - perhaps tell your friends not to work for them.

As you say they have not done anything legally wrong.

This is what I am asking "I just want to show to an employer that their behaviour was below all ethical norms".

Depends on the size of the company - if it's a big one - you could they emailing the CEO - if it's small it's very unlikely they will take any notice of your complaint.

You could try and take it to a local paper - but be aware that might mark you down as a troublemaker and stop potential future employers taking you on

I decided that unless I find another solution I will write to MP. They have to do something to protect rights of employees during first two years of their employment.

No, they don't.

I mean that they may change a legislation by somehow. I do think that they will intervene into a situation that has already happened.

I knew what you meant. There has never been a period when employees got legal rights against most forms of dismissal from day one. I doubt there will ever be. So my answer still stands - they won't change legislation. And even if they did, in the end the employer decides whether you have the skills they need, and no law is ever going to tell an employer that they must employ someone when they don't. The only real difference that two years would have made to you would have been that they had to jump through a few more hoops to do what they did - not that you could have stopped them. 

The Labour Party plans to change a legislation to give employees more rights from the beginning of the employment.

Undervalued

_Diana_ said:

It's a reply to the last two comments: you mix up ethics and legislation.

Ethics has a wide range of meanings and in many cases is in the eye of the beholder.

Generally an employer (or anybody else) can choose to be unethical provided it is not also illegal.

Jude57

_Diana_ said:

It's a reply to the last two comments: you mix up ethics and legislation.

Be aware that throwing around accusations that a previous employer was 'unethical' without concrete, irrefutable evidence is likely to be seen by potential future employers as a red flag against you. Badmouthing previous employers isn't wise in most circumstances and if your previous employer finds out, failing probation could be the least of your problems.

There's nothing inherently unethical in an employer seeking to quickly terminate an unsatisfactory employee and minimising the costs of addressing the failings. Recruitment and training are expensive processes for employers and, frankly, they're entitled to cut their losses if they feel that the employee isn't worth further investment. It's harsh but it's a fact of life.

Based on what you've written, you/your skills unfortunately weren't a good fit, the company gave you appropriate, paid notice and offered a reference which you declined. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the company might have been willing to provide a reference saying that you mutually agreed that it wasn't working out and both decided to part ways. That reference is now unlikely to be negotiable and you'll need to leave that period of employment off your CV - unless you are applying for a regulated role where you are required to provide full details of every day of your working life. 

Be aware that a reference must, legally, be truthful and not deliberately misleading. Your former employer saying that you failed probation and were terminated after two months is absolutely true and they are entitled to say that and no more, if they choose.

Other posters recommending you put this behind you and move on are speaking from experience and it really is in your best interests to do just that. Forget your campaign against what you see as unethical behaviour by your  previous employer. Find a new job and perhaps be less passive in the probation period by actively seeking feedback on your performance.