I've messed up!! Couldn't go on holiday due to children's passports

mebu60

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

eskbanker

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

strawb_shortcake

I had texts from HM passport office from November last year reminding me to check the validity of my passport and rough indications of how long it would take to process, don't remember signing up for these but maybe I did?? 

mebu60

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

Within nine and a half years of issue date according to missives I have from both Jet2 and Ryanair. 

eskbanker

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

Within nine and a half years of issue date according to missives I have from both Jet2 and Ryanair. 

Feel free to copy/paste the exact wording used and/or links to it, but if that's what they say, they're clearly wrong....

mebu60

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

Within nine and a half years of issue date according to missives I have from both Jet2 and Ryanair. 

Feel free to copy/paste the exact wording used and/or links to it, but if that's what they say, they're clearly wrong....

I tried to find the Jet2 email before I replied, no joy on a quick search but will look more thoroughly later. It explicitly stated nine and a half years. Will be interesting to reread the context. Everything I have read and heard in recent times has laboured the point about it being 9.5 years from issue date. 

eskbanker

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

Within nine and a half years of issue date according to missives I have from both Jet2 and Ryanair. 

Feel free to copy/paste the exact wording used and/or links to it, but if that's what they say, they're clearly wrong....

I tried to find the Jet2 email before I replied, no joy on a quick search but will look more thoroughly later. It explicitly stated nine and a half years. Will be interesting to reread the context. Everything I have read and heard in recent times has laboured the point about it being 9.5 years from issue date. 

You've obviously been reading the wrong things then, or misreading the right ones!  You're certainly not the first to misrepresent the rules on this forum, but there is no such "9.5 year" rule, and the definitive sources are clear that there are two separate checks, one of which is based on the issue date and the other the expiry date, so both are relevant:

Your passport should be valid for at least 3 months after the date you intend to leave the EU and it must have been issued within the last 10 years.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-nationals/index_en.htm

If you are planning to travel to an EU country (except Ireland), or Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Vatican City, follow the Schengen area passport requirements.

Your passport must be:

• issued less than 10 years before the date you enter the country (check the ‘date of issue’)
• valid for at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave (check the ‘expiry date’)

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements [for example, same for all EU countries]

mebu60

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

eskbanker said:

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

The stated expiry date isn't irrelevant post-Brexit, despite the amount of misinformation repeatedly shared on here and elsewhere about that!

The fact that anyone looking to enter the EU needs to do so within ten years of issue date doesn't replace the expiry date, which is still relevant for calculating latest departure from the EU....

Within nine and a half years of issue date according to missives I have from both Jet2 and Ryanair. 

Feel free to copy/paste the exact wording used and/or links to it, but if that's what they say, they're clearly wrong....

I tried to find the Jet2 email before I replied, no joy on a quick search but will look more thoroughly later. It explicitly stated nine and a half years. Will be interesting to reread the context. Everything I have read and heard in recent times has laboured the point about it being 9.5 years from issue date. 

You've obviously been reading the wrong things then, or misreading the right ones!  You're certainly not the first to misrepresent the rules on this forum, but there is no such "9.5 year" rule, and the definitive sources are clear that there are two separate checks, one of which is based on the issue date and the other the expiry date, so both are relevant:

Your passport should be valid for at least 3 months after the date you intend to leave the EU and it must have been issued within the last 10 years.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-nationals/index_en.htm

If you are planning to travel to an EU country (except Ireland), or Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Vatican City, follow the Schengen area passport requirements.

Your passport must be:

• issued less than 10 years before the date you enter the country (check the ‘date of issue’)
• valid for at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave (check the ‘expiry date’)

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements [for example, same for all EU countries]

Confirmation bias probably. I can't find the email sadly but I have trawled Jet2's website and buried in there are the validity rules exactly as you have articulated them. Certainly not as I understood them from all the publicity and articles I've come across. Thanks. 

eDicky

mebu60 said:

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

You are besieged by reminders to check passports' validity when you book flights and that the stated expiry date is irrelevant post-Brexit, it is 10 years from the issue date and you can need to have up to six months prior to that, i.e. need less that 9.5 years from issue. Yet still folks get caught out despite the numerous reminders.

Some countries require at least three months' or six months' passport validity from the date of entry. But EU countries do not, there is only the 'ten years from issue date' rule for entry. These two kinds of requirements never overlap. The expiry date printed in a passport is always exactly that.

photome

NoodleDoodleMan said:

If the government can issue reminders to car owners that their MOT is about to expire and needs to be renewed - presumably they could send a similar heads up, flagging the potential 3 months validity issue to passport holders, or their parents/guardians where appropriate ?

How much would that cost?  And presumably you are advocating that cost be passed on to all future passports