When did I buy a previous car

luckybert

Arunmor said:

What financial loss did you suffer?  The claims infuriate me.

I'm not sure I did suffer a loss, it's to do with these emissions claims as it was a diesel.

SiliconChip

luckybert said:

Arunmor said:

What financial loss did you suffer?  The claims infuriate me.

I'm not sure I did suffer a loss, it's to do with these emissions claims as it was a diesel.

The point that was being made is that a claim requires a corresponding financial loss, and you've admitted you haven't had one so there is nothing to claim for. This is generally true of the entire diesel emissions claim industry who are a bunch of shysters relying on the gullibility of car owners to make money for the claim companies themselves, there's nothing in it for most consumers.

Mildly_Miffed

luckybert said:

Arunmor said:

What financial loss did you suffer?  The claims infuriate me.

I'm not sure I did suffer a loss, it's to do with these emissions claims as it was a diesel.

So what are you claiming for?

Nasqueron

luckybert said:

Arunmor said:

What financial loss did you suffer?  The claims infuriate me.

I'm not sure I did suffer a loss, it's to do with these emissions claims as it was a diesel.

VW used a cheat device to beat the testing IN THE USA - a country that measures NOx output for diesels specifically for emissions etc. No other company has been shown to use these and the VW one was settled without admitting fault to save them money.

In the UK nobody buys a diesel based on NOx, they buy them for the low CO2 emissions which relate to VED bandings e.g. you get cheaper car tax. If you look hard enough, NOx emissions are shown in car brochures but they are a very minor issue. You did not buy a diesel for the NOx emissions, I would wager you didn't even know they were a thing. You have not suffered any loss or mis-selling from buying a diesel, emissions claims are immaterial as you didn't buy the car based on the emissions of NOx

Mildly_Miffed

Nasqueron said:

VW used a cheat device to beat the testing IN THE USA - a country that measures NOx output for diesels specifically for emissions etc. No other company has been shown to use these and the VW one was settled without admitting fault to save them money.

Close.

This side of the Atlantic, NOx caps came in with Euro3 emissions in 2000. They've always been much laxer for diesels than petrols.
Euro3 - diesel 0.5g/km, petrol 0.15g
Euro4 (2004) - diesel 0.25g, petrol 0.08g - 0.08g is the ULEZ cutoff.
Euro5 (2009) - diesel 0.18g, petrol 0.06g
Euro6 (2014) - diesel 0.08g, petrol 0.06g

The US emission standards didn't differentiate between the two and, as a result, next-to-nobody even tried to sell diesels, because the standard there was SO MUCH stricter than the European standard. Trying to figure out what the standard actually was is not easy, because there's all sorts of corporate average targets and different "bins" - but I don't think it was a million miles from Euro6 diesel, Euro4 petrol level. You can see the difference easily to Euro4/5 diesel requirements...

VW did try to sell diesels there - and did so by getting the engines to run a special low-NOx mode when they detected the test cycle pattern. That special cycle was the bit that was explicitly not allowed there... But it was allowed in the European tests, although it wasn't necessary. LOTS of European manufacturers have been found to have incorporated them...

The normal-cycle NOx levels were within the European cap at the time the cars were new. 
The European recall put the cars into that low-NOx mode all the time. People complain that impairs the driveability.