CPM Window PCN for parking at a disabled persons home to do work for them

briancr7

Countrywide Parking Management (IPC, IAS) Window PCN at block of flats, way off the main road. Car parked at a parking spot, seemingly for the residents, right opposite side entrance.

Car was there to transport a person and tools to do home improvements work for a disabled person who hired the technician and told them there is parking spot outside.

After about 2-3 hours the yellow windscreen ticket showed up.

The disabled person has a permit, and they have put it in writing with the permit attached, that they were hiring the technician to do work for them as they couldn't do it themselves, and asking to kindly cancel the ticket.

Is it worth appealing straight away with the letter from the disabled employer and permit attached, or still follow the guide for these instances, wait for NTK to arrive and then appeal with the `keeper of the vehicle can't be held responsible` template from newbies post?

There is cash ready, to pay if must, the 'discounted' within 14-day price.
Wouldn't like to lose that 'discount'. If no chance to succeed with any of the above, would just rather pay it.

Any advice appreciated.

Gr1pr

A few assumptions there 

Let us see pictures of the signs and a redacted where necessary picture of the parking permit too

Does the permit have a VRM on it that is not the one that is on the work persons vehicle. ?

Was any permit displayed. ?

What are the arrangements for legitimate visitors on that site. ?

Was a visitor permit displayed. ?

The disabled person should be getting the management company to cancel the PCN, because the management company hired the parking company 

The keeper may well be responsible if the parking company comply with POFA 2012 and issued a compliant NTK PCN letter by post.  You have no Idea if any future NTK PCN letter will comply or not and neither do I 

Getting the management company to cancel the PCN is the best option here, without revealing who was driving, so use the royal WE 

Half_way

Are you a friend/relative of the disabled person?

briancr7

Gr1pr said:

A few assumptions there 

Let us see pictures of the signs and a redacted where necessary picture of the parking permit too

Does the permit have a VRM on it that is not the one that is on the work persons vehicle. ?

Was any permit displayed. ?

What are the arrangements for legitimate visitors on that site. ?

Was a visitor permit displayed. ?

No VRM on permit.
No permit was displayed

(was told is fine to park there, unfortunately no further investigation was done regarding the signs or so)

Half_way

Who owns the space the vehicle was parked in?

briancr7

Half_way said:

Are you a friend/relative of the disabled person?

I don't really know how to answer this, as I'm not sure in what function you're referring to 'me' as.
I am just a person asking the above questions.
Driver, vehicle owner, technician, employer wasn't identified.

briancr7

Half_way said:

Who owns the space the vehicle was parked in?

How would one know with the presented knowledge who owns the land... As mentioned before, its a block of flats in a fenced area, parking spaces around the building without labelled bays.

Half_way

if the resident has a right to use that space in their lease/ tenancy/ freehold then a third party ie a parking company can not take away that right or impose conditions such as a charge for using their own land.

you said the driver had permission to park. 

it may also be with looking at Jopson vs homeguard.

Gr1pr

I can definitely tell you that the parking company are not going to cancel the PCN, especially as a permit was available and the signs mention that a permit must be clearly displayed, which it wasn't, which is why the PCN was issued to the vehicle due to breaching the displayed rules on the signs

Any driver out and about should be looking for signs, doesn't matter where they are 

The disabled person would know who owns what, or if they are a tenant who they pay money to and who maintains the area 

The parking company may post a POFA compliant NTK PCN letter to the keeper in due course, so don't assume that it will fail POFA 

briancr7

The employer (disabled resident) will contact the residents management company and ask them to cancel the PCN.
Will not waste time asking CPM to cancel. Thanks for the useful information.
Any additional advice appreciated.

Half_way

If this falls under jopson vs home guard, then the parking company shouldn't have issued the parking charge in the first place.

Likewise if the person who have permission to park owns the land, then any signage from a third party stranger to that lease/freehold/tenancy is about as relevant as signs saying trespassers will be shot.