managed migration to uc

TimeLord1

Who does the assessment though for this element 

poppy12345

TimeLord1 said:

Who does the assessment though for this element 

There’s no assessment. It’s a disadvantage test. 

jenny45

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

If you have a health condition or disability, you will not need another Work Capability Assessment ( WCA ) when you move to Universal Credit if all the following apply: you were claiming Employment and Support Allowance ( ESA ) the day before making a claim to Universal Credit. I would say you would fall into this criteria but through Disability working Tax credits. Nobody should be worse off or face further testing. They could assess you later but the way things are not likely to happen. 

That doesn't apply in this case because they are not claiming ESA. As they are also not claiming a disability benefit they will not be able to be referred for a work capability assessment as their earnings will be more than 16 x NMW/week. They could only be referred for a WCA if their earnings are less than 16 x NMW per week. 

If they have no children on their claim they will also not be entitled to the work allowance so earnings received each month will reduce their UC by 55%. 

so really it would be standard rate of uc.  I know they talk about transitional protection but I read somewhere that the transitional protection is added onto the uc award.

I would be awarded single rate uc plus like amount from tax credits (tp) minus 55% of my wages which would still put me at a nil award?  

Spoonie_Turtle

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poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

If you have a health condition or disability, you will not need another Work Capability Assessment ( WCA ) when you move to Universal Credit if all the following apply: you were claiming Employment and Support Allowance ( ESA ) the day before making a claim to Universal Credit. I would say you would fall into this criteria but through Disability working Tax credits. Nobody should be worse off or face further testing. They could assess you later but the way things are not likely to happen. 

That doesn't apply in this case because they are not claiming ESA. As they are also not claiming a disability benefit they will not be able to be referred for a work capability assessment as their earnings will be more than 16 x NMW/week. They could only be referred for a WCA if their earnings are less than 16 x NMW per week. 

If they have no children on their claim they will also not be entitled to the work allowance so earnings received each month will reduce their UC by 55%. 

so really it would be standard rate of uc.  I know they talk about transitional protection but I read somewhere that the transitional protection is added onto the uc award.

I would be awarded single rate uc plus like amount from tax credits (tp) minus 55% of my wages which would still put me at a nil award?  

It really depends on what they work out the transitional protection element to be, which will determine your max UC before deductions - which then may or may not be wiped out by your wages.  It shouldn't be, but the calculation for the TP element is supposed to use income figures HMRC have for you for your Tax Credits which may or may not be correct.

In the months with your bonus (can't quite remember what you said) if it reduces your UC to nil, the claim stays open until/unless you have six consecutive months of nil UC due to earnings.  So if you do get a UC award normally, for those one or two months, don't panic or do anything except log in to your claim.  The next normal month should return to normal.

TimeLord1

Q. What happens if you are worse off on Universal Credit?

If you claim Universal Credit before the deadline,? the DWP (might) pay you extra to stop you being worse off. This is called 'transitional protection'. This means that if you'd get less on Universal Credit than your old benefits, you'll get an extra amount to make up the difference.

To be honest I feel for the OP trying to work and being punished for doing so, maybe get a reduction in hours to the 16hrs a week. Work is good for your health but not wealth in this case.

Definitely visit cab to get as much help as you can fight it all the way. And please update how this goes I haven't seen anything similar before. 

TimeLord1

poppy12345 said:

TimeLord1 said:

Who does the assessment though for this element 

There’s no assessment. It’s a disadvantage test. 

I don't recall anyone ever mentioning the test or even asking what it involves or how it turned out. 

jenny45

thanks all for your help.  I have withdrawn my claim for universal credits as so much hassle for nothing. I can not cope with all the stress.   I have always tried to work even after being sick to try and provide for myself and tax credits really did help.

I am maybe a bit more fortunate than some as I am turning 58 in january and going to ask to get my deferred civil service pension paid,  It isn't a big amount but should help me stay in part time work and have a bit of financial security.

TimeLord1

This is how they are stating they'll make money because people are put off claiming. See how you get on budgeting yourself without the money and if things are working out OK for you, if not don't struggle seek advice from Citizens ADVICE if you do continue with the claim.