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Update: Case closed / Court Claim Form received - Not Parked Correctly - Help with defence wording

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  • neo61uk
    neo61uk Posts: 16 Forumite
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    Is the date in the POC the date of parking, or the date of the NTK? This is an important error if it is the latter.
    It’s the date of Parking yes. I have checked. 
  • Coupon-mad
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    You do include the Chan images, of course, which is why the link in the Template Defence shows you what it looks like.

    Read the NEWBIES thread second post red capitals section 'IMPORTANT: KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN' so you know what to expect and when exhibits get sent.
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  • neo61uk
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    edited 11 May 2024 at 7:37AM
    LDast said:
    neo61uk said:

    Those pics he added to paragraph 3 to be copied are quite low quality. Is this still ok to be copied and pasted to the defence pdf we reckon? 
    As this is a defence, you cannot attach exhibits to it. There is a files size limit of 25Mb. So, you don't want hi-res images in a PDF document to take it over the files size limit. As long as the transcript is readable, it should be OK. Some judges understand and dismiss and others choose not to be persuaded by it. Judge bingo.
    Ok so what did Ldast mean saying “as this is defence , you cannot attach exhibits to it” when I asked about those pics? I assumed those pics by hharry case are part of the defence and need to be included. 
  • Le_Kirk
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    neo61uk said:
    LDast said:
    neo61uk said:
    Those pics he added to paragraph 3 to be copied are quite low quality. Is this still ok to be copied and pasted to the defence pdf we reckon? 
    As this is a defence, you cannot attach exhibits to it. There is a files size limit of 25Mb. So, you don't want hi-res images in a PDF document to take it over the files size limit. As long as the transcript is readable, it should be OK. Some judges understand and dismiss and others choose not to be persuaded by it. Judge bingo.
    Ok so what did Ldast mean saying “as this is defence , you cannot attach exhibits to it” when I asked about those pics? I assumed those pics by @hharry100 case are part of the defence and need to be included
    Correct                 
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 11 May 2024 at 12:07PM
    They are not exhibits.  Not evidence.

    But obviously you include them otherwise we wouldn't show people that version. 
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  • neo61uk
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    Le_Kirk said:
    neo61uk said:
    LDast said:
    neo61uk said:
    Those pics he added to paragraph 3 to be copied are quite low quality. Is this still ok to be copied and pasted to the defence pdf we reckon? 
    As this is a defence, you cannot attach exhibits to it. There is a files size limit of 25Mb. So, you don't want hi-res images in a PDF document to take it over the files size limit. As long as the transcript is readable, it should be OK. Some judges understand and dismiss and others choose not to be persuaded by it. Judge bingo.
    Ok so what did Ldast mean saying “as this is defence , you cannot attach exhibits to it” when I asked about those pics? I assumed those pics by @hharry100 case are part of the defence and need to be included
    Correct                 
    Thank you 

    They are not exhibits.  Not evidence.

    But obviously you include them otherwise we wouldn't show people that version. 
    Thank you 
  • neo61uk
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    So preparing defence now. 

    I copy all paragraphs from hharry with pics and edit as follows. 

    Paragraph no 4 
    - I add “and driver” after the word keeper. 

    That’s all here?

    Paragraph no 5 
    - I write my defence in 3rd person without any details or exhibits :

    “The defendant admits to be parking at Gallagher Shopping Park on 24/11/2023. The defendant arrived there to return some shopping to one of the retail stores located at the park. 
    The defendant denies the car was not parked correctly within the bay.” 

    Would this be good enough for now ? 

    - Then I copy all following paragraphs from Defence template and change all paragraphs numbers adequately to match with hharry defence template numbering. 

    Please correct me if I’m wrong somewhere here. 

    Thank you 
  • Coupon-mad
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    Yep - you are right. Perfect.
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  • neo61uk
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    Yep - you are right. Perfect.
    Thank you ☺️ 
    appreciated 

    is there specific time I shall email it like working hours or anytime is good ? 
  • LDast
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    The images of the CEL v Chan transcript are "embedded" as images (JPG) in the PDF document. They are not printed separately and "attached" or included.
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