dcblegal letter of claim uk parking control limited

Coupon-mad

Only correct if you don't chop off the important VAT question in the second half, because we want you to report DCB Legal to HMRC for VAT concerns potentially worth millions (suspicion of not collecting/paying VAT from their client gor the £70 'debt recovery fee').

You need their reply to the question first.  I'm sure you don't want to miss out on reporting them to HMRC?!

NO do not do a SAR.

Pembersdev

Thanks coupon, I did mean to include the vat part but missed it.  I so relish seeing them squirm once HMRC get going!
Thanks again.

Coupon-mad

It's not too late. Ask them that VAT question when you get their reply. 

kingprodragon

@KeithP @Coupon-mad

another email just came today as follow:

e write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 07/05/2024.

 

We now respond to the same as follows.

 

We refer to our communication of 29/04/2024, we confirm that despite your latest correspondence, our position remains as previously advised. As such, should our client instruct us to proceed with further legal action, we reserve the right to do so without any further reference to you.     In accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, where the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) becomes overdue and before Court proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum may be added for the debt recovery fees. The correct recovery fees have been added and will not be removed.    The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. There is no requirement for a VAT invoice to be issued to you.

and another letter:

If you are at all unsure of your legal position, we recommend that you seek your own independent legal advice.                                                         WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE TO COSTS   Due to the presented circumstances our Client may be willing to settle this matter. Our Client would be agreeable to £100.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £170.00.   

 

You now have 30 days from the date of this email  to make payment of £100.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: XXXXXX

what should I do not so I pay £100 instead of £170?

thank you for any advice!!!

KeithP

What should you do??

You should use those thirty days productively because you know that a County Court Claim will drop through your letter-box soon after. The second post of the NEWBIES thread will be worth another read, and another read after that. 

kingprodragon

@KeithP @Coupon-mad

and also an email from uk parking control limited:

the original PCN was showing I was over stayed by 24 mins. which been send to my old home address.

Good afternoon,

 

The parking charge was issued on 12/12/23 as the vehicle was parked at Station Shopping Park -  for overstaying the permitted time. Your name and address was obtained from the DVLA, as you are the registered keeper of the vehicle. The parking charge notice was sent to you on 15/12/23 and a final reminder was sent to you on 29/12/23. Please see attached PDF copies of these notices. After no payment or correspondence from you, the parking charge was passed to our third-party debt recovery company for further action.

To make payment, or request information, please contact:

 

DCB Legal can be reached directly on 0203 434 0433 or by emailing

thanks again!

Coupon-mad

kingprodragon said:

@KeithP @Coupon-mad

another email just came today as follow:

e write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 07/05/2024.

 

We now respond to the same as follows.

 

We refer to our communication of 29/04/2024, we confirm that despite your latest correspondence, our position remains as previously advised. As such, should our client instruct us to proceed with further legal action, we reserve the right to do so without any further reference to you.  

 

In accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, where the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) becomes overdue and before Court proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum may be added for the debt recovery fees. The correct recovery fees have been added and will not be removed.

  

The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. There is no requirement for a VAT invoice to be issued to you.

and another letter:

If you are at all unsure of your legal position, we recommend that you seek your own independent legal advice.

  

                                                     WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE TO COSTS

 

Due to the presented circumstances our Client may be willing to settle this matter. Our Client would be agreeable to £100.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £170.00. 

 

 

You now have 30 days from the date of this email  to make payment of £100.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: XXXXXX

what should I do not so I pay £100 instead of £170?

thank you for any advice!!!

Eh?  You won't be paying anything.

Send this to DCB Legal:




Dear xxxxxx

Your reply did not answer my question which was about VAT on the DRA fee (the added extortionate sum that your firm keeps when victims actually pay).  I did not ask about VAT on the parking charge sought by your client.

I respectfully draw your attention to paragraph 2.1(c) of the Pre-Action Protocol and remind you that both parties are expected to act reasonably and proportionately.

How about answering my VAT question properly.  I suggest you should give your answer a bit more thought and tell me whether your firm accounts for VAT on the added £70 'debt recovery fee' (or is it 'costs' or maybe 'damages' or whatever you fancy calling it next).

You might also want to seriously consider cancelling the proposed claim because we all know you will discontinue in the end, so how about saving yourselves the court filing fee on this one and moving on to lower hanging fruit?  Obviously I am not going to be making payment for what Ministers described as an 'outrageous scam' and 'extorting money from motorists' so stop ending your replies with your firm's sort code and account details. It's an insult to my intelligence.

You now have 30 days to answer the VAT question. Failure to answer that question ABOUT VAT ON THE £70 FEE will result in a formal report about 'VAT concerns' being lodged with HMRC against your firm, without any further reference. If you are at all unsure of your legal position, I recommend that you seek your own independent legal advice.

yours sincerely, 


your name

kingprodragon

Coupon-mad said:

kingprodragon said:

@KeithP @Coupon-mad

another email just came today as follow:

e write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 07/05/2024.

 

We now respond to the same as follows.

 

We refer to our communication of 29/04/2024, we confirm that despite your latest correspondence, our position remains as previously advised. As such, should our client instruct us to proceed with further legal action, we reserve the right to do so without any further reference to you.  

 

In accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, where the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) becomes overdue and before Court proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum may be added for the debt recovery fees. The correct recovery fees have been added and will not be removed.

  

The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), which was last updated on 02 September 2020, confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. There is no requirement for a VAT invoice to be issued to you.

and another letter:

If you are at all unsure of your legal position, we recommend that you seek your own independent legal advice.

  

                                                     WITHOUT PREJUDICE SAVE TO COSTS

 

Due to the presented circumstances our Client may be willing to settle this matter. Our Client would be agreeable to £100.00 in full and final settlement of this Claim. The current outstanding balance is £170.00. 

 

 

You now have 30 days from the date of this email  to make payment of £100.00. Failure to make payment may result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: XXXXXX

what should I do not so I pay £100 instead of £170?

thank you for any advice!!!

Eh?  You won't be paying anything.

Send this to DCB Legal:




Dear xxxxxx

Your reply did not answer my question which was about VAT on the DRA fee (the added extortionate sum that your firm keeps when victims actually pay).  I did not ask about VAT on the parking charge sought by your client.

I respectfully draw your attention to paragraph 2.1(c) of the Pre-Action Protocol and remind you that both parties are expected to act reasonably and proportionately.

How about answering my VAT question properly.  I suggest you should give your answer a bit more thought and tell me whether your firm accounts for VAT on the added £70 'debt recovery fee' (or is it 'costs' or maybe 'damages' or whatever you fancy calling it next).

You might also want to seriously consider cancelling the proposed claim because we all know you will discontinue in the end, so how about saving yourselves the court filing fee on this one and moving on to lower hanging fruit?  Obviously I am not going to be making payment for what Ministers described as an 'outrageous scam' and 'extorting money from motorists' so stop ending your replies with your firm's sort code and account details. It's an insult to my intelligence.

You now have 30 days to answer the VAT question. Failure to answer that question ABOUT VAT ON THE £70 FEE will result in a formal report about 'VAT concerns' being lodged with HMRC against your firm, without any further reference. If you are at all unsure of your legal position, I recommend that you seek your own independent legal advice.

yours sincerely, 


your name

@coupon-mad thank you so much for helping and supporting me on this matter, Im sending the email now, didnt ever think I could send an such email to lawfirm, but you are 100% right about those firm asking for hard earn money from people like me. I will update once I got the respond.

thanks again!!!!

kingprodragon

@Coupon-mad what about the email from uk parking control limited, do I need respond that email as well? as its was 25mins over the parking limit, and I have contact the shop where I was shopping at. but it was too late to appeal. thanks!!!

Coupon-mad

No don't reply to UKPC.