TA10 and internal door fittings

doodling

Hi,

Door fitting are generally things like handles, hinges, locks and push plates.  It sounds like the vendor wants to exclude one or more or the doors themselves.

You need to go back to your solicitor (not the EA) asking them to confirm with the vendor's solicitor exactly what is meant by the form as you understood the deal was something different.

You may choose to talk to the vendor or their EA at the same time to negotiate or clarify the deal so that when the vendor formally responds to your question via their solicitors the response is what you expect.

EssexHebridean

The TA10 is clear in that it is talking about the fittings TO the doors, not the doors themselves. If the seller plans to remove the entire door, that should be being made clear to the buyer. I would suggest in that instance, it would be reasonable for the buyer to expect that the doorway should also be "made good" and a standard door re-fitted in its place. I suspect once that was put to them, they might decide that actually, they weren't so keen on the idea of removing the door after all. 

eddddy

doodling said:

You need to go back to your solicitor (not the EA) asking them to confirm with the vendor's solicitor exactly what is meant by the form as you understood the deal was something different.

You may choose to talk to the vendor or their EA at the same time to negotiate or clarify the deal so that when the vendor formally responds to your question via their solicitors the response is what you expect.

That sounds a bit slow and inefficient.

I think it would be much faster for the buyer and seller to discuss, negotiate, and agree what is included - either by direct contact with each other or via the EA. Then both parties can each tell their solicitors what's been agreed.

That way, hopefully everything will get agreed in less than a day with just a few phone calls.

Whereas making enquires backwards and forwards via solicitors could take weeks.  (And using your solicitor to ask questions about how many door knobs are included in the sale isn't a great use of their time.)

Jonboy_1984

Where is the door positioned?

 The only internal sliding glass doors I can typically think of in the average home are between a living room and conservatory, and would normally have been left in place to remain compliant with building regulations?

NameUnavailable

You could say OK fine, deals off! See what they say then! Unless they pointed this out when you viewed/offered of course.

EssexHebridean

Reading between the lines it sounds as though the seller might perhaps be a bit “tricky” - in a lot of cases I’d agree that this sort of negotiating was a role for the agents, but in a situation like this getting things sorted via the solicitors might actually make things easier and reduce problems along the line. The seller’s own solicitor will also be in a good position to gently tell them if they are being unreasonable! 

DayDreamerandGeneralWaster

I wouldn't deal with the seller directly. 

Legally there is no redress here - they have made it clear they intend to remove a door.

You make it clear that you require a replacement door for fire safety. 

It's an odd one though. I mean how expensive was this door?! Is it black aluminium? 

doodling

Hi,

eddddy said:

doodling said:

You need to go back to your solicitor (not the EA) asking them to confirm with the vendor's solicitor exactly what is meant by the form as you understood the deal was something different.

You may choose to talk to the vendor or their EA at the same time to negotiate or clarify the deal so that when the vendor formally responds to your question via their solicitors the response is what you expect.

That sounds a bit slow and inefficient.

I think it would be much faster for the buyer and seller to discuss, negotiate, and agree what is included - either by direct contact with each other or via the EA. Then both parties can each tell their solicitors what's been agreed.

That way, hopefully everything will get agreed in less than a day with just a few phone calls.

Whereas making enquires backwards and forwards via solicitors could take weeks.  (And using your solicitor to ask questions about how many door knobs are included in the sale isn't a great use of their time.)

Unfortunately, getting things formally agreed via the solicitors is the only way to do it.  The terms of the contract are what has been agreed in writing and the people with a complete view of the writing are the solicitors so they need to know what is being agreed.

The way the vendor will tell their solicitor what has been agreed is via an updated TA10 (nothing else is likely to be acceptable to the buyer's solicitor - phone calls certainly won't cut it).  The buyer needs to tell their solicitor that they are expecting an updated TA10 and consequently they shouldn't proceed without one.

As I suggested, talking to the vendor or their EA directly to agree the deal before the communication via the solicitors lands will significantly speed things up, but doing that is optional whilst the communication via the solicitor isn't.

eddddy

doodling said:

Hi,

eddddy said:

doodling said:

You need to go back to your solicitor (not the EA) asking them to confirm with the vendor's solicitor exactly what is meant by the form as you understood the deal was something different.

You may choose to talk to the vendor or their EA at the same time to negotiate or clarify the deal so that when the vendor formally responds to your question via their solicitors the response is what you expect.

That sounds a bit slow and inefficient.

I think it would be much faster for the buyer and seller to discuss, negotiate, and agree what is included - either by direct contact with each other or via the EA. Then both parties can each tell their solicitors what's been agreed.

That way, hopefully everything will get agreed in less than a day with just a few phone calls.

Whereas making enquires backwards and forwards via solicitors could take weeks.  (And using your solicitor to ask questions about how many door knobs are included in the sale isn't a great use of their time.)

Unfortunately, getting things formally agreed via the solicitors is the only way to do it.  The terms of the contract are what has been agreed in writing and the people with a complete view of the writing are the solicitors so they need to know what is being agreed.

The way the vendor will tell their solicitor what has been agreed is via an updated TA10 (nothing else is likely to be acceptable to the buyer's solicitor - phone calls certainly won't cut it).  The buyer needs to tell their solicitor that they are expecting an updated TA10 and consequently they shouldn't proceed without one.

As I suggested, talking to the vendor or their EA directly to agree the deal before the communication via the solicitors lands will significantly speed things up, but doing that is optional whilst the communication via the solicitor isn't.

OK - so in case anyone is confused, I think you say you're now agreeing with what I posted.

Emily_Joy

In the house we bought *all* internal doors turnout to have problems of various degrees - broken fittings, broken handles, misalignment, broken/cracked door itself. I would have requested a viewing to see what the condition of the doors are and what exactly is supposed to be removed.