Electric mini

ididgetwhereiamtoday

I think 62 miles is in extreme conditions. I would imagine 100 miles range would be comfortably achievable most of the time. 

My 7 year old leaf will do 100 miles per charge most of the year. My car is worth about 7 grand now. And it’s my only car so I’m doing 15000 a year in it. I would recommend the Leaf to anyone at this sort of money. 

As been suggested before, do not buy new unless there’s a huge discount. 

Keep_pedalling

ididgetwhereiamtoday said:

I think 62 miles is in extreme conditions. I would imagine 100 miles range would be comfortably achievable most of the time. 

My 7 year old leaf will do 100 miles per charge most of the year. My car is worth about 7 grand now. And it’s my only car so I’m doing 15000 a year in it. I would recommend the Leaf to anyone at this sort of money. 

As been suggested before, do not buy new unless there’s a huge discount. 

It seems that the OPs tiny amount of milage is creating extreme conditions, the most suitable vehicle for those distances would be a bicycle. Not worth buying a brand new car of any type for it would be far cheaper to use taxis.

Goudy

What are extreme conditions, force 10 head winds and towing a caravan?
I can't see anything in the OP's post to suggest any extreme conditions.

More importantly how would the OP over come whatever they are to improve the range if the range is so low to start with?

Ok, they have only done 537 miles so far, but with a range of 62 is that a surprise?
With a range of 62, they won't be actually doing 62 before they recharge, so it's nailed on they would be doing less between charges.
Is the battery degrading because of what, 10 to 12 charges?

Surely no one can really be suggesting to drive 100 miles trips when the range is reporting 62 miles to up the range.
As the OP states, they are between a rock and a hard place, no range to drive it enough to increase the range.

The heating can't be having much effect on the range as it's not been working some of the time.

By the sounds of the original post, 100 or so miles might make it a viable car, but not 62.

If it should do 100 miles comfortable, how do they get to that.
Use it only in warm weather? I'd be amazed if that makes it a viable car for anyone.

The only answers are there is something wrong with the car which the dealer can't find or it's not actually a viable car due to it's short range. Far shorter than claimed or even expected.

How would buying one used have helped.
Do used Mini EV's have larger batteries or are they more efficient?
All I can see is the OP would likely have wasted less money buying used, but that's cold comfort really.

I actually free sorry for the OP rather than try and defend the indefensible range of 62 miles.
They had obviously researched it as they knew the expected range should be around 110 miles or so and decided that 100 or so was enough for them.

What they didn't expect was that their normal use is some sort of unspecified extreme condition/s that no one told them about.
Perhaps because when these things are mentioned anywhere, they get labelled as anti EV propaganda.

As we have found out, as with a ICE doing short trips in a EV isn't really as efficient as doing longer trips. But this particular EV can't really do longer trips. It's just not very efficient. 

They are getting half a pint out of a pint pot when what they really need to have been told is they need to get half a gallon out of a gallon pot to get the range they need.
  

Herzlos

I assumed the tiny mileage was because they returned it after a few weeks and it's spent the rest of the time parked up.  So it might have been doing 100 miles / week.

That said, at 537 total miles it can't have been through many charge cycles even at 62 miles range, and any of the 3 faults fixed may have resulted in more power consumption than normal. I don't know if they need broken in in the same way as ICE cars but there will be a bit of a driver adjustment needed due to how different they are to drive.

WellKnownSid

Herzlos said:

I assumed the tiny mileage was because they returned it after a few weeks and it's spent the rest of the time parked up.  So it might have been doing 100 miles / week.

That said, at 537 total miles it can't have been through many charge cycles even at 62 miles range, and any of the 3 faults fixed may have resulted in more power consumption than normal. I don't know if they need broken in in the same way as ICE cars but there will be a bit of a driver adjustment needed due to how different they are to drive.

No need to “break in” - the OP hasn’t returned but I suspect the range is that quoted on the Guess-O-Meter (tm) and for a car that spent time sat being repaired that could be accurate.  Most cars (petrol, diesel, electric, phev, hybrid, hydrogen, steam) guess the range on recent driving. The OP may simply not have done enough driving to produce an accurate figure.

I can see 120 miles range on the wife’s car this morning - I know by the time she’s covered 40 miles today it’ll be around 110 because she doesn’t drive the Zoe like I do 😄

Robbo66

henry24 said:

born_again said:

Your trip 524 there & back. Which you say you need to stop & fill up again to get home.

The below trip 478 miles with one stop just like yours... Which is a lot more M/Way & he does not drive slow either..

https://youtu.be/X5bFUMGEN48?si=6C_Sw_xfayzSFWxJ

My car has a 2.2L engine and it cost me £22000 new 3 years ago that car costs £53000 could you show me a electric car doing the same mileage for £22000

EVs have there place and that is generally in a town situation, I have a 6 year old A Class diesel and I can just about get to just outside Glasgow and back on a single tank, that's the best part of a 700 mile round trip. Obviously that is also dependant on other factors such as traffic, busy road and stop starting reduces this by around 100. EVs are not the solution for the majority and until mileage and convenience similar to diesel/petrol comes along that majority will not be opting to go electric

lordmountararat

I agree with the comments about depreciation. I bought a Fiat 500e Icon, two and a half years old with fewer than 2000 miles, from a main dealer for well less than half the new price. Private buyers buying new are taking a huge hit.

Martyn1981

Tucosalamanca said:

Herzlos said:

Goudy said:

Petriix said:

 It may simply be the case that you've bought the wrong vehicle for your needs. 

I know I stand a good chance of stirring up the old EV debate, but bare with me a minute.

I can't for the life of me understand why this particular make/model is actually a viable vehicle.

It's not for everyone, sure, but I dare say even a 62 mile range is actually plenty for a lot of people. Going further and generalising a bit due to the people I know with Mini's, they are less likely to fall into the category of needing huge range. It's not a massively practical car to begin with.

Why pay a lot more in terms of purchase, weight, handling and economy to get 200 miles out of a car when the owner only does 40 mile round trips.

This is what keeps me interested in some of the cheaper/smaller EV.

We've got several ICE vehicles, an EV with 62 mile range would be a useful replacement / addition to our household, where the majority of round trips are probably 40 miles or less.

You are spot on. Our dabblings into the BEV world started with a secondhand 24kWh Leaf, with a range of about 70 miles. Our other car being a petrol Zafira.

Almost immediately the 'second car' the Leaf was first choice for any trip of ~60miles or less. Just a much, much more pleasant and fun drive. By the time the Zafira was replaced with a long range BEV a year later, the Leaf was doing about 80% of our mileage.

I think a SH short range BEV is ideal (almost perfect) for any household with more than one car, where one of the cars doesn't need to have long range - hope that makes sense. In a family situation with older children that are driving, and perhaps 3+ cars, popping a BEV into the equation will have fun results. [By fun, I mean fighting over who gets to drive the BEV.]

The other thing about a shorter range, smaller battery BEV, is that even a granny charger can easily cope. At 2kW, a 24kWh Leaf (or our 28kWh IONIQ) can be fully, or mostly charged overnight. And if you are going further afield, then even a modestly powered rapid charger, such as a 50kW unit, becomes an ultra-rapid charger (in-effect) for smaller battery BEV's. And if you have cheap rate night leccy, then you could be facing a fuel bill of about 2p/mile.