Signing out after a shift

magpies79

Sorry last question

he did say that all briefs are scanned and stored on a computer one brief he showed me because he couldn’t find the one about supervisors telling you when you can leave 
had the name of a supervisor and the date he gave the brief but he couldn’t have because he’d left afew months before

when I pressed him on this and asked him so where do we store the originals he said we don’t we destroy them straight away as they have your signatures on them because of GDPR wouldn’t they have to be stored in a file Cabinet for a certain length of time 

Savvy_Sue

I'm struggling to make sense of this. They issue a brief. You all sign it. They scan your signature on the brief and destroy the original? That makes sense, but in that case they'd be able to find your scanned signature on the brief. 

The alternative to scanning your signature on the brief is to keep - either in a filing cabinet or in a computer system - a list of who has signed each brief and when. 

Just storing the briefs without any evidence of who's seen them seems pointless. 

magpies79

that’s why I’m asking here and not in a office with my manager.
 the reason I ask for the original paper copy we sign is he’s clearly shown me a scanned brief that’s on the computer with the date of brief and date it was put on the computer but that supervisor wasn’t working here then so he couldn’t of done that brief?

 And it was just a random brief of no relevance to supervisors letting us go like we have both moved on he’s excepted the fact he can’t find a brief on what my issue was put my point across that we didn’t appreciate the message and the tone and the fact it was done through to the guy I was with through fb messenger asking us what time we left we have work phones for communication at work and we don’t talk out of work 

TELLIT01

You cannot be expected to wait for permission after 6:30 which is your official finishing time.  Leaving then is not a H&S risk as you shouldn't be on site after that time.  Leaving before that time, without the OK and knowledge of a supervisor is a potential H&S risk. 

All the OP has done by their action is flag up an informal arrangement with the supervisors, and the end result may well be that they have to remain on site until 6:30 all the time.

cymruchris

TELLIT01 said:

You cannot be expected to wait for permission after 6:30 which is your official finishing time.  Leaving then is not a H&S risk as you shouldn't be on site after that time.  Leaving before that time, without the OK and knowledge of a supervisor is a potential H&S risk. 

All the OP has done by their action is flag up an informal arrangement with the supervisors, and the end result may well be that they have to remain on site until 6:30 all the time.

That was my thinking - the OP might end up having to wait until 6:30 from now on, no matter what, as it's been picked up as something that goes against SOP. I don't have experience in the railways - but bosses being bosses - no matter what the industry, always want their twopenneth and a lot more.

TELLIT01

Way back in the late 1980s I worked for an engineering company.  The shop floor production workers had 15 minutes at the end of their shifts to clean up and get ready to leave.  There it got to the stage where most were leaving well before the end of that period.  Management clamped down on that and told the workers they weren't to leave the building until their shift actually ended.  That resulted in literally dozens of men standing outside the production buildings with their hands on the wall, waiting for the hooter!  I wasn't on the shop floor so it didn't affect me.  I left shortly after that stage of the fiasco started so don't know the final outcome.

I think the reality is that the workforce can 'interpret' the rules as they did then, but in the end it is the company which really holds all the cards.

magpies79

TELLIT01 said:

You cannot be expected to wait for permission after 6:30 which is your official finishing time.  Leaving then is not a H&S risk as you shouldn't be on site after that time.  Leaving before that time, without the OK and knowledge of a supervisor is a potential H&S risk. 

All the OP has done by their action is flag up an informal arrangement with the supervisors, and the end result may well be that they have to remain on site until 6:30 all the time.

Thanks for the reply so after looking into my contract and speaking with my union rep my official finish time is 6:15am and I’m paid until 6:30am the 15mins is a allocated time for me to wash up have a shower this can be done at work or at home I have however said in future if my supervisors aren’t down by 6:15 I’ll report to the station supervisor after signing out to let them know I’ve left site as our supervisors have to apparently radio through to station supervisor to say we have left site which I’ve never ever seen happen but I’ll go with it haha 

magpies79

TELLIT01 said:

Way back in the late 1980s I worked for an engineering company.  The shop floor production workers had 15 minutes at the end of their shifts to clean up and get ready to leave.  There it got to the stage where most were leaving well before the end of that period.  Management clamped down on that and told the workers they weren't to leave the building until their shift actually ended.  That resulted in literally dozens of men standing outside the production buildings with their hands on the wall, waiting for the hooter!  I wasn't on the shop floor so it didn't affect me.  I left shortly after that stage of the fiasco started so don't know the final outcome.

I think the reality is that the workforce can 'interpret' the rules as they did then, but in the end it is the company which really holds all the cards.

I’ll be honest we are probably the only one of a few who stay till time Ive had disagreements with supervisors in the past who have said you can go leave early at 4am and I’ve signed 4am and they have said put 6:15 no I’m ok thanks I’ll put the time I’ve left the very reason I got the job in the first place was because 2 people got sacked for leaving early and putting the wrong time!!
but yeah it’s still like that on the railway at our place anyway we had a shunter leave at 2-3am every morning without fail until a train failed and had to be moved at 6am and the shunter was fast a sleep in bed service didn’t go out company fined.

magpies79

cymruchris said:

TELLIT01 said:

You cannot be expected to wait for permission after 6:30 which is your official finishing time.  Leaving then is not a H&S risk as you shouldn't be on site after that time.  Leaving before that time, without the OK and knowledge of a supervisor is a potential H&S risk. 

All the OP has done by their action is flag up an informal arrangement with the supervisors, and the end result may well be that they have to remain on site until 6:30 all the time.

That was my thinking - the OP might end up having to wait until 6:30 from now on, no matter what, as it's been picked up as something that goes against SOP. I don't have experience in the railways - but bosses being bosses - no matter what the industry, always want their twopenneth and a lot more.

Again thanks for the reply but again I don’t mind that if that’s what’s in my contract and that’s my hours are but I was being told if the supervisors don’t come down until 6:45am I’m to remain in the mess room at all cost until they tell me to leave my reply was and what happens if that then becomes 6:50-7:00 I’d would then be pushing our fatigue index and would no doubt have to come in later the following night and to some degree I do have some level of flexibility I’m happy to help when it’s needed this supervisors had probably fell a sleep as from 5-6:15am there isn’t a lot to do 

TELLIT01

If the supervisor always has to come to the same place to tell you it's OK to go, I'd be inclined to leave a note saying "You weren't here at my finishing time of x, so I have left"