[answered] Is HMRC issuing PAYE Coding Notice (P2) docs anymore?

phonek

JamesRobinson48 said:

My elderly father received an HMRC Coding Notice (P2) in the post one week ago. It relates to the new tax year commencing 6 April 2024 and contains a wealth of important information about tax adjustments, etc. He had opted to continue receiving HMRC letters by post, as he had doubts about being able to view them online. Myself likewise.

Thanks, wonder if you can login to HMRC online to see/download PDF copies of either of your P2's as well?

Looks like I'm going to have to waste hours on hold phoning HMRC, which I hate doing accordingly, just to find out what the hell's going on here, given they can't be bothered to explain anywhere. Aargh! 

eskbanker

phonek said:
(I have P2's saved all the way back until the 2004-05 year; 20 years worth.) 

It sounds like you value your collection, but what do you actually use them for, bearing in mind their primary purpose of the codes being to inform employers of an estimated and provisional income tax liability in order to calibrate PAYE deductions, on a fairly transient basis?  In other words, what do formatted PDF documents achieve that the available raw data doesn't, especially when combined with the definitive P800 details?

phonek

eskbanker said:

phonek said:
(I have P2's saved all the way back until the 2004-05 year; 20 years worth.) 

It sounds like you value your collection, but what do you actually use them for, bearing in mind their primary purpose of the codes being to inform employers of an estimated and provisional income tax liability in order to calibrate PAYE deductions, on a fairly transient basis?  In other words, what do formatted PDF documents achieve that the available raw data doesn't, especially when combined with the definitive P800 details?

Oh yes, I LOVE my document collection – can't live without it!  

Here is for a pensioner (my mother), who has various investments etc. Don't get P800 docs. I download (or scan if only on paper) all docs needed from all institutions, then mid-year do return and download the HMRC Tax Return docs incl. calculation/receipt.

Then archive all docs for quick/easy evidence of all figures provided from each institution's tax docs supplied to her as customer (eg. bank P60's, HMRC P2  et al.), what was submitted & when, and should they ever be needed for random auditing or simply referring back to in future by myself or other family members. 

Basic tax filing practice. 

sheramber

phonek said:

jimmo said:

phonek said:

jimmo said:

Log into your Personal Tax Account.
Click "PAYE".
Check Next Tax Year.

No, there are no P2 docs are there. 

No, but all the information you need about how your coding is made up is there.

But it's not a downloadable P2 pdf document, just a screen comparing last years figures with this years. 
Not the same thing at all. 

While not in the same format as a P2 , It shows the same information for the current year and next year , under "Tax Free Amount Summary.'

There is an option at the bottom of the page  to print the page.

Grumpy_chap

I receive "Tax Code Notice" by post - the most recent was last May (2023).  I suspect another one will arrive shortly as it is not long since I submitted my Tax Return and the new Tax Year starts soon.

In the past, I have never paid much attention to the Tax Code Notices but I will do so in the future.  When completing this year's Tax Return, I found I was due a £5k rebate.  I then realised I am on a horrendous "K" Code this year as well, so will be due another rebate after the end of the tax year.  Both were a shock to me - a nice surprise in the end, but I will certainly pay closer attention as an error of similar value the other way would result in a panic.

eskbanker

phonek said:

eskbanker said:

phonek said:
(I have P2's saved all the way back until the 2004-05 year; 20 years worth.) 

It sounds like you value your collection, but what do you actually use them for, bearing in mind their primary purpose of the codes being to inform employers of an estimated and provisional income tax liability in order to calibrate PAYE deductions, on a fairly transient basis?  In other words, what do formatted PDF documents achieve that the available raw data doesn't, especially when combined with the definitive P800 details?

Here is for a pensioner (my mother), who has various investments etc. Don't get P800 docs. 
I download (or scan if something's only on paper) all docs needed from all institutions, then mid-year do the return and download the HMRC Tax Return docs incl. calculation/receipt.

Then archive all docs for quick and easy evidence of all the figures provided from each institution's tax docs supplied to her as customer (eg. P60 from banks, P2 from HMRC, et al.), what was submitted and when, and should they ever be needed for random auditing or simply referring back to in future by myself or other family members. 

Basic tax filing practice. 

Sure, retaining important tax-related documents is obviously good practice, in terms of returns, calculations, P60s, plus other income certificates, etc, but the point was that coding notices don't really fit that description - what would be the scenario requiring access to historical ones, where the relevant data wouldn't be available elsewhere?

phonek

eskbanker said:

phonek said:

eskbanker said:

phonek said:
(I have P2's saved all the way back until the 2004-05 year; 20 years worth.) 

It sounds like you value your collection, but what do you actually use them for, bearing in mind their primary purpose of the codes being to inform employers of an estimated and provisional income tax liability in order to calibrate PAYE deductions, on a fairly transient basis?  In other words, what do formatted PDF documents achieve that the available raw data doesn't, especially when combined with the definitive P800 details?

Here is for a pensioner (my mother), who has various investments etc. Don't get P800 docs. 
I download (or scan if something's only on paper) all docs needed from all institutions, then mid-year do the return and download the HMRC Tax Return docs incl. calculation/receipt.

Then archive all docs for quick and easy evidence of all the figures provided from each institution's tax docs supplied to her as customer (eg. P60 from banks, P2 from HMRC, et al.), what was submitted and when, and should they ever be needed for random auditing or simply referring back to in future by myself or other family members. 

Basic tax filing practice. 

Sure, retaining important tax-related documents is obviously good practice, in terms of returns, calculations, P60s, plus other income certificates, etc, but the point was that coding notices don't really fit that description - what would be the scenario requiring access to historical ones, where the relevant data wouldn't be available elsewhere?

Ultimately, the question here was do they still supply P2's, not should they supply them and whether one needs them or not. Let's stick the topic, thanks. 

Dazed_and_C0nfused

phonek said:

eskbanker said:

phonek said:

eskbanker said:

phonek said:
(I have P2's saved all the way back until the 2004-05 year; 20 years worth.) 

It sounds like you value your collection, but what do you actually use them for, bearing in mind their primary purpose of the codes being to inform employers of an estimated and provisional income tax liability in order to calibrate PAYE deductions, on a fairly transient basis?  In other words, what do formatted PDF documents achieve that the available raw data doesn't, especially when combined with the definitive P800 details?

Here is for a pensioner (my mother), who has various investments etc. Don't get P800 docs. 
I download (or scan if something's only on paper) all docs needed from all institutions, then mid-year do the return and download the HMRC Tax Return docs incl. calculation/receipt.

Then archive all docs for quick and easy evidence of all the figures provided from each institution's tax docs supplied to her as customer (eg. P60 from banks, P2 from HMRC, et al.), what was submitted and when, and should they ever be needed for random auditing or simply referring back to in future by myself or other family members. 

Basic tax filing practice. 

Sure, retaining important tax-related documents is obviously good practice, in terms of returns, calculations, P60s, plus other income certificates, etc, but the point was that coding notices don't really fit that description - what would be the scenario requiring access to historical ones, where the relevant data wouldn't be available elsewhere?

Ultimately, the question here was do they still supply P2's, not should they supply them and whether one needs them or not. Let's stick the topic, thanks. 

To some people yes.

kuratowski

If you are registered for self-assessment, you can still see the P2s in PDF format.

Starting from the personal tax account homepage:

• Click Self Assessment
• Click More Details about your Self Assessment returns and payments
• Click More Self Assessment Details
• Click View PAYE Coding Notices
• Select the relevant Tax Year and click Go [tax years available are currently 2022-23, 2023-24 and 2024-25]
• Click the date the notice was issued, and the P2 notice in PDF format will download

I don't know whether there is a way to do this if you are not registered for self-assessment, however.

phonek

kuratowski said:

If you are registered for self-assessment, you can still see the P2s in PDF format.

Starting from the personal tax account homepage:

• Click Self Assessment
• Click More Details about your Self Assessment returns and payments
• Click More Self Assessment Details
• Click View PAYE Coding Notices
• Select the relevant Tax Year and click Go [tax years available are currently 2022-23, 2023-24 and 2024-25]
• Click the date the notice was issued, and the P2 notice in PDF format will download

I don't know whether there is a way to do this if you are not registered for self-assessment, however.

10/10 – MANY THANKS! 
Luckily I am SA registered as do a return every year, so yes this location works!

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EDIT 1: interestingly, there are two P2's there for 2024-25 - 24.Jan.2024 & 10.Feb.2025. K codes on each. 
Lucky me gets to phone them anyway, lol! 

EDIT 2: 0300-200-3300/3310... 'sorry, we're unable to deal with your call at the moment; goodbye' hrrumph!