Traffic lights, stop lines and yellow box junctions

daveyjp

Bigphil1474 said:

daveyjp said:

Once the lights are green the van can proceed to the edge of the yellow box.  However this should only be done if the van driver can see the traffic beyond the yellow box is moving and they will 'get their turn' during that green light period.

If traffic isn't moving there is no need to go beyond the stop line, but most will due to 'too quick to queue syndrome'.

There's no reason for the van driver to stop at the edge of the yellow box as he is clearly turning right and the exit is clear. He can stop in the yellow box even if oncoming traffic or other turning traffic is stopping him proceeding. The van driver doesn't have to be a clairvoyant and know that he will get his 'turn' to turn before the lights change. If there are no lights on the other side of the junction, then he can turn when it is safe to do so. 

Read the first thread and watch all the video.  The van isn't turning right at 58 seconds. It is going straight ahead.

daveyjp

boxosox said:

daveyjp said:

Once the lights are green the van can proceed to the edge of the yellow box.  However this should only be done if the van driver can see the traffic beyond the yellow box is moving and they will 'get their turn' during that green light period.

If traffic isn't moving there is no need to go beyond the stop line, but most will due to 'too quick to queue syndrome'.

This is impossible to judge.

It really isn't.

Bigphil1474

daveyjp said:

Bigphil1474 said:

daveyjp said:

Once the lights are green the van can proceed to the edge of the yellow box.  However this should only be done if the van driver can see the traffic beyond the yellow box is moving and they will 'get their turn' during that green light period.

If traffic isn't moving there is no need to go beyond the stop line, but most will due to 'too quick to queue syndrome'.

There's no reason for the van driver to stop at the edge of the yellow box as he is clearly turning right and the exit is clear. He can stop in the yellow box even if oncoming traffic or other turning traffic is stopping him proceeding. The van driver doesn't have to be a clairvoyant and know that he will get his 'turn' to turn before the lights change. If there are no lights on the other side of the junction, then he can turn when it is safe to do so. 

Read the first thread and watch all the video.  The van isn't turning right at 58 seconds. It is going straight ahead.

Apologies, I was referring to the van in the picture of the video in the original post, the one indicating turn right.

ontheroad1970

Mildly_Miffed said:

The driver of the red van in the video is a muppet who should have stopped further back, behind the bicycle advance stop line.



I notice the video is nearly a decade old, uploaded to YouTube in November 2014. This explains why he's driving a van that wouldn't be allowed into the ULEZ now.

But, no, he can't move forward once his light's red - even if he is past the stop line. The junction almost certainly has lights facing his way on the other side. If it doesn't, he's an even bigger muppet.

The offence is crossing the line on red, or amber (if safe to stop).  There is no offence if you complete your move when the whole of your vehicle is beyond the stop line.  The correct answer is as Car_54 states.