PIP Claim - Unexpected Call

Alice_Holt

GILL635 said:

Nope, not going off any newspaper articles (I don’t read them), I’m going from the eligibility conditions on the DWP / PIP website directly. 

Which says:

"  Eligibility

You can get Personal Independence Payment (PIP) if all of the following apply to you:

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

You must also be under State Pension age if you’ve not received PIP before."

Note that the criteria states "difficulty doing certain tasks...", it does not list medical conditions that "qualify" you for PIP.   


More info:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/how-decisions-are-made/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

GILL635

Alice_Holt said:

GILL635 said:

Nope, not going off any newspaper articles (I don’t read them), I’m going from the eligibility conditions on the DWP / PIP website directly. 

Which says:

"  Eligibility

You can get Personal Independence Payment (PIP) if all of the following apply to you:

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

You must also be under State Pension age if you’ve not received PIP before."

Note that the criteria states "difficulty doing certain tasks...", it does not list medical conditions that "qualify" you for PIP.   


More info:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/how-decisions-are-made/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

Alice - I’m not sure how many times on this post I need to apologise for using incorrect terminology to you, or any other posters. 

I asked for advice regarding an unexpected call, I’ve never gone through this application before, therefore may well get terminology wrong as I’m human. 

It’s starting to feel like several of you on here are trying to make me either feel bad, or justify my application. I can’t work out which. 

I’ve apologised multiple times for using the wrong wording, I’ve explained where I found information pertaining to my conditions (not that I need to) and I’ve explained that this is all new to me and taken onboard the feedback of the very first person to point out I had worded it wrong, including thanking people for their guidance. 

I’m not sure what the issue is that you keep repeating the same information at me in such an accusatory way? Are we not allowed to ask others for experiences regarding the PIP benefit claims procedure on the benefits board? 

kaMelo

Whilst I can't speak for @Alice_Holt I'm pretty certain that neither they nor anyone else is trying to make you feel bad or make you justify yourself.

It's important to understand many more people come here and read to gather information than those who actually post questions so it's important that the information they read is accurate. It's a common misconception that a diagnosis for a certain illness will automatically qualify someone for PIP, it doesn't in fact plenty of people qualify without any diagnosis at all.  In all cases what matters for PIP is how your ailments, whether diagnosed or not, affect your ability to function reliably and repeatedly the majority of the time.

Clarifying that is important for those that just read rather than post, it's unfortunate that in doing so it feels like someone pulling you up on a technicality as it really isn't the case.

Muttleythefrog

GILL635 said:

Alice_Holt said:

GILL635 said:

Nope, not going off any newspaper articles (I don’t read them), I’m going from the eligibility conditions on the DWP / PIP website directly. 

Which says:

"  Eligibility

You can get Personal Independence Payment (PIP) if all of the following apply to you:

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

You must also be under State Pension age if you’ve not received PIP before."

Note that the criteria states "difficulty doing certain tasks...", it does not list medical conditions that "qualify" you for PIP.   


More info:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/how-decisions-are-made/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

Alice - I’m not sure how many times on this post I need to apologise for using incorrect terminology to you, or any other posters. 

Just to quickly step in.... I think the issue is you refer to the DWP website stating medical conditions (of which you have some) that can qualify for PIP... but nobody here seems aware of any such referencing (and I can't see a link to such) and are inherently surprised by claim of it since as discussed medical conditions in themselves don't qualify for PIP but rather relevant to criteria disabling impacts of injury, illness or disability.. It does sound like the sort of thing tabloid newspapers state and unfortunately you are neither retracting (in fact you re-assert) what you've said or linking what you've read which would mean there is an open claim of something people believe is false or misleading. It's important clarity is therefore restated which posters are doing as unfortunately people do misunderstand how PIP is assessed and may read here... there are people who will indeed ask if they can get PIP for x condition... I have no doubt such threads can be quite quickly found on this board including fairly recent. There is the special 'less than 12 months to live' criteria as caveat (which may invite particular diagnoses like cancer as detail).

But it is crucial to obviously focus on disablements and the criteria at every step and stage of a PIP claim.

Try not to worry too much about the calls (hard I know)... it's hard to know why they called early... it could have been to rearrange or to verify information. There is some flexibility in how they process claims and increasingly they seem to telephone contact claimants both for clarifications and now assessments but it is hard for us to know precisely what they're calling to achieve. I would obviously just try to engage any calls that are incoming from them (DWP or their contracted disability assessment company) and watch out for any text updates on your phone if they have your number. I think you've just got to try to be prepared to answer questions on disablement relevant to criteria and it may be helpful to carry around (maybe even literally if there is some chance they call when you're away from home) some basic notes in that regard for each activity you suffer disablement regarding including perhaps real examples of what happens (difficulties faced, help needed etc) when you try to do the activity. Good links have been provided above to help understand how disablement assessed for the activities. 

Posters are trying to be helpful but also remember there's a wider audience... so members will often keep re-asserting an important point if there is open information that conflicts with it and could cause confusion or misunderstanding.

Best of luck.... and do remember getting PIP can be a bit hit and miss (more so at initial claim stage) but over time millions end up getting suitable awards including many contributors to the board. So stick with it and keep us informed of updates as necessary.

(And if you find the DWP page you refer to please link it so it can be addressed)

HillStreetBlues

The OP did only use "medical conditions" once in the  opening post, when it was pointed out that was wrong the the OP apologised for getting  it wrong.

Sorry if I didn’t explain properly, this is all new to me so I’m not sure on the correct terminology.

Since then the OP only referred to condition and the links supplied also refer to condition

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

So can understand the OP's frustration as the OP previously admitted to getting it wrong, others are still using "medical conditions"

Alice_Holt

GILL635 said:

Alice_Holt said:

GILL635 said:

Nope, not going off any newspaper articles (I don’t read them), I’m going from the eligibility conditions on the DWP / PIP website directly. 

Which says:

"  Eligibility

You can get Personal Independence Payment (PIP) if all of the following apply to you:

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

You must also be under State Pension age if you’ve not received PIP before."

Note that the criteria states "difficulty doing certain tasks...", it does not list medical conditions that "qualify" you for PIP.   


More info:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/how-decisions-are-made/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

Alice - I’m not sure how many times on this post I need to apologise for using incorrect terminology to you, or any other posters. 

I asked for advice regarding an unexpected call, I’ve never gone through this application before, therefore may well get terminology wrong as I’m human. 

It’s starting to feel like several of you on here are trying to make me either feel bad, or justify my application. I can’t work out which. 

I’ve apologised multiple times for using the wrong wording, I’ve explained where I found information pertaining to my conditions (not that I need to) and I’ve explained that this is all new to me and taken onboard the feedback of the very first person to point out I had worded it wrong, including thanking people for their guidance. 

I’m not sure what the issue is that you keep repeating the same information at me in such an accusatory way? Are we not allowed to ask others for experiences regarding the PIP benefit claims procedure on the benefits board? 

    My post wasn't intended to be accusatory.

 Just to try to clarify the PIP process and criteria,  more for other forumites who may be reading this and like you have little knowledge of how PIP works.

I've included the links to help you better understand the PIP descriptors, the scoring system, the importance of reliability in PIP, etc.  Do read these links, as it will be useful at your medical assessment (the next stage).

Before the assessment determine how you get to the necessary 8 PIP points for a award (Daily Living and/or Mobility), start a log / diary of examples of how and why you can't do the relevant PIP descriptors reliably - take it to the assessment and use these examples to fully explain the difficulties you have (and any aids you may need to do the PIP activities).



   

Muttleythefrog

HillStreetBlues said:

The OP did only use "medical conditions" once in the  opening post, when it was pointed out that was wrong the the OP apologised for getting  it wrong.

Sorry if I didn’t explain properly, this is all new to me so I’m not sure on the correct terminology.

Since then the OP only referred to condition and the links supplied also refer to condition

• you’re 16 or over
• you have a long-term physical or mental health condition or disability
• you have difficulty doing certain everyday tasks or getting around
• you expect the difficulties to last for at least 12 months from when they started

So can understand the OP's frustration as the OP previously admitted to getting it wrong, others are still using "medical conditions"

I don't think it helped when they further added:

the PIP page on the DEP lists my 3 conditions as qualifying for a PIP application

Which suggests they are referring to something other than that DWP page as it does not list any conditions other than generic reference in the second bullet point... or are they saying their 3 conditions lie within (or are) one or more of those categorisations.... I suspect so on reflection... very possible.. and if so then the matter becomes explained. 

I too can understand their frustrations regarding apologising regarding terminology but to be honest I am not sure what they're apologising for..lol... I don't see an issue with their terminology. The issue to me is what is it that they've read and where is it... as then clarity can be given for 3rd party readers.

Anyway hopefully they get some clarity on what is happening with this new claim... and get a helpful assessment at some point.