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Section 13 notice, but it's all a bit crazy

GDB2222
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I'm asking for advice for a friend.
Tenancy started November 2019. One year fixed term, and now on a contractual periodic tenancy.
Rent was £1240 per month, and it has remained unchanged since the start.
The LL has served a S13 notice (Form 4) proposing an increase to £1550 per month. This looks slightly high. Another flat in the block (in better condition) has just been agreed at £1500 per month.
So, what should my friend do?
There's a twist to this, though: The tenancy agreement includes a section on rent increases that specifies that the rent can increase by the RPI. This means that the S13 form is invalid. However, I have calculated the RPI increase, and that would take the rent to £1600, ie more than the LL is proposing.
Tenancy started November 2019. One year fixed term, and now on a contractual periodic tenancy.
Rent was £1240 per month, and it has remained unchanged since the start.
The LL has served a S13 notice (Form 4) proposing an increase to £1550 per month. This looks slightly high. Another flat in the block (in better condition) has just been agreed at £1500 per month.
So, what should my friend do?
There's a twist to this, though: The tenancy agreement includes a section on rent increases that specifies that the rent can increase by the RPI. This means that the S13 form is invalid. However, I have calculated the RPI increase, and that would take the rent to £1600, ie more than the LL is proposing.
No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
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I'm not sure how relevant it is to the above, but I had a look through the documents, and a couple of points sprang out:
1. The EICR was in date at the start of the tenancy, but it is now well past its expiry date.
2. The How To Rent Guide issued at the start of the tenancy was the 2016 edition, which was several editions out of date. The correct edition was dated August 2019.
No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
If tenancy covers rent increases then s13 can't be used. Pretty sure if you look up section 13 of Thatcher's 1988 Housing Act it will say so. Evidence that landlord is ignorant.
Suggest you wait until tribunal involved then point this out to landlord (thus buying time).
Expect an s21 but check with Shelter's website on what makes s21 invalid.
Artful, landlord since 2000.2 -
Does the friend like and wish to stay in the property?
Does the LL generally do the right thing in terms of responding to any issues that need to be addressed?
Does the friend accept that some movement in the rent is appropriate?
If the above three all get a "yes", then I would suggest that going to a rent tribunal to have the S13 determined as invalid might serve to get the LL's back up and sour relationships resulting in the friend leaving the property sooner rather than later.
Once the invalid S13 is confirmed, the LL might revert to the rent increase clause in the contract which the OP has calculated would be a higher figure anyway.
A more pragmatic option for the friend might be to seek to reach an agreed rent increase.- Currently £1,240 (since 2019)
- Proposed by LL £1,550
- Market rent around £1,500
If the friend wants to stay and the LL wants the friend to stay at the property, that type of approach might be more amenable to maintaining a positive ongoing relationship.2 -
Grumpy_chap said:Does the friend like and wish to stay in the property?
Does the LL generally do the right thing in terms of responding to any issues that need to be addressed?
Does the friend accept that some movement in the rent is appropriate?
If the above three all get a "yes", then I would suggest that going to a rent tribunal to have the S13 determined as invalid might serve to get the LL's back up and sour relationships resulting in the friend leaving the property sooner rather than later.
Once the invalid S13 is confirmed, the LL might revert to the rent increase clause in the contract which the OP has calculated would be a higher figure anyway.
A more pragmatic option for the friend might be to seek to reach an agreed rent increase.- Currently £1,240 (since 2019)
- Proposed by LL £1,550
- Market rent around £1,500
If the friend wants to stay and the LL wants the friend to stay at the property, that type of approach might be more amenable to maintaining a positive ongoing relationship.They already offered £1400, but that was brushed aside.
Their current thinking is to go to the Tribunal and not mention that the application is invalid. They are happy for the tribunal to set a market rent. It’s also possible that, faced with a tribunal hearing, the LL will be a bit more flexible in their demands, and an amicable compromise can be reached.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
If they intend to try to avoid the rent increase, why go to tribunal? Just continue paying the old rent.The S13 is invalid, so if/when the LL starts talking about rent arrears, T just points out the S13 was invalid so was ignored.LL will then either try to enforce the S13 renty (and lose), fall back on the RPI clause, or serve a S21. Very similar outcome to going to tribunal but without the faff.2
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Serving an S21 will fail, as providing the wrong edition of 'How to Rent' will invalidate it.No free lunch, and no free laptop1
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macman said:Serving an S21 will fail, as providing the wrong edition of 'How to Rent' will invalidate it.Which in truth is a pretty petty reason for the S21 to fail.The irony of course is that it's stuff like this causing landlords to sell up which is one of the reasons rents are going through the roof and rentals are getting harder and harder to find...Every generation blames the one before...
Mike + The Mechanics - The Living Years2 -
MobileSaver said:macman said:Serving an S21 will fail, as providing the wrong edition of 'How to Rent' will invalidate it.Which in truth is a pretty petty reason for the S21 to fail.The irony of course is that it's stuff like this causing landlords to sell up which is one of the reasons rents are going through the roof and rentals are getting harder and harder to find...1
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theartfullodger said:MobileSaver said:macman said:Serving an S21 will fail, as providing the wrong edition of 'How to Rent' will invalidate it.Which in truth is a pretty petty reason for the S21 to fail.The irony of course is that it's stuff like this causing landlords to sell up which is one of the reasons rents are going through the roof and rentals are getting harder and harder to find...
Every generation blames the one before...
Mike + The Mechanics - The Living Years0 -
GDB2222 said:
Their current thinking is to go to the Tribunal and not mention that the application is invalid. They are happy for the tribunal to set a market rent. It’s also possible that, faced with a tribunal hearing, the LL will be a bit more flexible in their demands, and an amicable compromise can be reached.
Other than delaying, what does the T hope to gain by that?
Plus, it will sour relationships.1
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