Daughters UC stopped

Newcad

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

HillStreetBlues

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

Newcad

No the systems are not that linked up (yet), but if not declared then once they do find out then they can be really awkward asking for all kinds of evidence/proof that you haven't fallen foul of the rules.

When it comes to benefits you can have to prove yourself innocent of accusations/suspicions.

Legally it's not quite 'Guilty until proven innocent' - but the DWP hold the purse strings and so can stop payments until you do prove your entitlement.

OhWow

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

HillStreetBlues

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

HillStreetBlues

Newcad said:

No the systems are not that linked up (yet), but if not declared then once they do find out then they can be really awkward asking for all kinds of evidence/proof that you haven't fallen foul of the rules.

When it comes to benefits you can have to prove yourself innocent of accusations/suspicions.

Legally it's not quite 'Guilty until proven innocent' - but the DWP hold the purse strings and so can stop payments until you do prove your entitlement.

My view is if you report it then you might get called in and show proof. Currently they are unlikely to find out, if they do you will show the same proof as if you reported it. The less you tell them  the less chance of them making a mistake or getting a person to jump though hoops.
I work on the need to know basis, if anything affects my claim I would report it, if not, it's none of their businesses.

OhWow

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

But they could be linked/checked at a later date. The government have all the data entry to the UK from decades; and from 2015 the exit data from the UK too. The UK also shares travel information with other countries and they with the UK.

HillStreetBlues

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

But they could be at a later date. The government have all the data of entry; and from 2015, the data of exit too. The UK also shares travel information with other countires and they with the UK.

Even if they do that, which I feel unlikely as they are going down the bank route, all that does is catch over-stayers
It would be a bit strange to call someone is saying we have proof that you didn't over-stay and your benefits are unaffected.

NedS

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

It's not currently linked in real time, but DWP run scans which identify 'at risk' cases which are then investigated.

As any overpayment can be recovered at any point in the future, they do not seem particularly bothered if it takes them an age to recover any overpayment.

That will all change with the new fraud detection systems that are being put in place where detection will happen a lot quicker, and use evidence from a lot more automated sources (e.g, banks as you already highlighted) to identify the most common types of fraud.

OhWow

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

HillStreetBlues said:

OhWow said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Newcad said:

I would think it's because they had been declared that it was relatively easy to sort and get payments reinstated.

It isn't hard to imagine how much more difficult they could have made things if the periods abroad had not been declared.

They are looking to get banks to check overseas spending to see if someone is away for longer then they should be. If they needs banks to do that I don't think the system are linked up to check is someone is abroad.

The government have exit and entry data.

From 8 April 2015 we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering. This document explains why exit checks are being reintroduced and how the process will work.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk

Yes they do, but as I said above I don't think the systems are linked.

But they could be at a later date. The government have all the data of entry; and from 2015, the data of exit too. The UK also shares travel information with other countires and they with the UK.

Even if they do that, which I feel unlikely as they are going down the bank route, all that does is catch over-stayers
 

Exit and entry checks also show how long we have been outside the UK. In other words, when we were in the UK.