Selling freehold garage, help with forms AP1 and TR1 please

Bartoni79

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

Bartoni79

EssexHebridean said:

The very fact that you are so unsure of the process suggests that you really should be having this dealt with by a solicitor, OP. They undergo training and professional development for good reason - and ultimately, the charges you will see for a relatively low value purchase are going to be far lower than the possible financial risk of getting things wrong. there are things in life where  trying to DIY it are a false economy - this is one, and wedding photos are another. 

I’d do that but I’m being quoted (from multiple conveyancers) £800+ for the privilege of what seems to be the filling in of 3 forms? There no mortgage involved just a cash sale.

loubel

Bartoni79 said:

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

You don't send anything to the Land Registry. But your buyer's solicitor will ask you to get your ID checked by a solicitor and for them to complete form ID1 and you will need to send them that.

You are very brave entering into a legal transaction that you don't understand without taking legal advice. Does your buyer's solicitor know that you are not going to be represented? 

TBG01

loubel said:

Bartoni79 said:

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

You don't send anything to the Land Registry. But your buyer's solicitor will ask you to get your ID checked by a solicitor and for them to complete form ID1 and you will need to send them that.

You are very brave entering into a legal transaction that you don't understand without taking legal advice. Does your buyer's solicitor know that you are not going to be represented? 

It's crazy how these types of thread always follow the same pattern.

OP comes in asking how to do their own DIY conveyancing because they feel like they're being ripped off by a professional who has spent years training to do the job.

OP continues to get the most basics of the transaction wrong but it is still adamant that they're being ripped off.

Bartoni79

.TBG01 said:

loubel said:

Bartoni79 said:

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

You don't send anything to the Land Registry. But your buyer's solicitor will ask you to get your ID checked by a solicitor and for them to complete form ID1 and you will need to send them that.

You are very brave entering into a legal transaction that you don't understand without taking legal advice. Does your buyer's solicitor know that you are not going to be represented? 

It's crazy how these types of thread always follow the same pattern.

OP comes in asking how to do their own DIY conveyancing because they feel like they're being ripped off by a professional who has spent years training to do the job.

OP continues to get the most basics of the transaction wrong but it is still adamant that they're being ripped off.

I'm not saying I'm being ripped off. I was saying that £800 to fill 3 forms in seems rather high and if I could do it myself (and I had read / spoken to LR it was relatively simple with no mortgage involved, why wouldn't I try?). Before posting, I had spoken to LR team who assured me it was a simple case of completing three forms and sending them in. Clearly they incorrectly advised me and with the youtube registry guidance video not being online yet, was seeking advice on a forum. 

TBG01

Bartoni79 said:

.TBG01 said:

loubel said:

Bartoni79 said:

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

You don't send anything to the Land Registry. But your buyer's solicitor will ask you to get your ID checked by a solicitor and for them to complete form ID1 and you will need to send them that.

You are very brave entering into a legal transaction that you don't understand without taking legal advice. Does your buyer's solicitor know that you are not going to be represented? 

It's crazy how these types of thread always follow the same pattern.

OP comes in asking how to do their own DIY conveyancing because they feel like they're being ripped off by a professional who has spent years training to do the job.

OP continues to get the most basics of the transaction wrong but it is still adamant that they're being ripped off.

I'm not saying I'm being ripped off. I was saying that £800 to fill 3 forms in seems rather high and if I could do it myself (and I had read / spoken to LR it was relatively simple with no mortgage involved, why wouldn't I try?). Before posting, I had spoken to LR team who assured me it was a simple case of completing three forms and sending them in. Clearly they incorrectly advised me and with the youtube registry guidance video not being online yet, was seeking advice on a forum. 

But therein lies another issue.

You're asking for advice from people who aren't qualified to give advice with absolutely no fallback on them.

You shouldn't, as you won't be submitting the application, but if the Land Registry raised a Requisition based wrongly given advice, then what? 

But anyways, all you need to do is date the transfer when you receive the monies and send it to the buyers solicitor along with the ID3. There's absolutely no reason for you to complete and submit the AP1

propertyrental

Bartoni79 said:

propertyrental said:

Where is the buyer's solicitor? Local (ish) to you?

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

(if it was up to the seller to send the docs to LR, he could conveniently forget and remain the registered owner!)

So do I send the AP1 and ID3 off to LR at any time or do these need to go to the buyers solicitor? Thanks 

Agree a Completion date with the buyer/their solicitor

Receive the draft TR1 from buyer's solicitor, and approve it (or get it amended)

On Completion day, go to buyer's solicitor's office, hand over thr TR1 (which you previously approved and have now signed), and confirm receipt of funds in your bank.

BUYER, then sends TR1 etc to Land Registry. Not you.

Bartoni79

Thank you. So it appears LR also incorrectly advised me I need to complete a AP1. Do I not need to pay for transfers? 

I’m more inclined to use a conveyancer though. Is it important the buyer uses a conveyancer? 

Can this be done DIY on sellers and buyers side. Btw - this is more of a curious question rather than an option.

propertyrental

Whether the LR incorrectly advised you depends on what precisely you asked them (or what they thought you were asking).

eg if you asked, or they believed you were asking, what forms they required to register a sale, they advised you correctly.

A conveyancer will do more for their £800 than "just fill in 3 forms". ag they will draw up the sales contract and negotiate with the buyer's solicitor any amendments. They will explain to you any Enquiries the buyer's solicitor sends, and respond appropriately etc.....

Bartoni79

When I spoke to LR I explained I was selling a freehold garage without a mortgage and what process I needed to follow to transfer the garage to the buyer. The lady said, send in AP1, TR1, ID3 to LR.
Regarding the conveyancing, no searches are being done as the buyer lives next to the garage I’m selling so I doubt there would be any enquiries. Nothing came up when I purchased the garage 6 years ago.