Cutting my energy use to save so little for me

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MikeJXE said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

MeteredOut said:

MikeJXE said:

Thanks for all your replies but I'm not about to get into an argument with ECO activists or whatever they are called.

I posted the facts on my energy usage, how it had increased not just for me but everyone. It seems no one wants to compare. 

Regarding carrying on using fossil fuel. we haven't a lot of choice, we can't make electricity without them and if anyone thinks we will be free of them by 2050 they are living in cuckoo land 

You didn't ask anyone to compare. You asked if cost increases have been put in place to benefit the wealthy. And you got answers to that question.

Indeed the old fella ( I can say that as previously we have discussed age and over 80 so this is not inaccurate in any way) was inciting the responses he got. 

I believe I have also put forward ECO4 incentives his way but he rents and that was an end to that conversation some months back. 

LOL yeah I remember that and yes I am old 

There is not much point arguing with some people who promote smart meters and there benefits, who will try to save every penny by switching savings accounts for a 0.1 extra interest 

Why are you trying to argue not debate? I also cannot see any comparison between people who realise the benefits of smart meters and people who move bank account to gain an additional 0.1% interest. 

MikeJXE said:

Who will promote the EV that does miles for pennies, when the majority of the population can't even afford one because they can't charge at home,  but don't say they are no better on a long run than an ICE

The majority of the population can charge at home though. On a long run they are also considerably cheaper per mile than an ICE and the TCO is also considerably less (at least up to 12-14 years which is as far as that data runs in suitable quantity at the moment).

MikeJXE said:

Who point out that electricity is close to 40% of generation by wind but don't say only if the wind is blowing

Around 40% of total electricity used is generated from renewables, not 40% when the wind is blowing, but 40% of all used, at some points it is near 90%. 

MikeJXE said:

Who don't think it is fair that some of the standing charge should go on the unit rate so high users pay more, 

Some people think that costs that are fixed should be applied to the standing charge and costs that vary depending on the amount of energy used should be added to the unit rate, so everyone pays proportionally for what they use. Others want high users to subsidise low users, usually for their own benefit. High users are generally the disabled and pensioners, low users are usually those wealthy enough to install battery and solar systems. 

MikeJXE said:
they are even against who I think may be the founder of this site is fighting for, he is wrong too now it appears 

They are not "against" Martin Lewis, but they do recognise that he does not get everything right. He does also sometimes follow a populist path as he seems to have done with standing charges, not because of economic rational or sense of fairness, but because it is good for social media traction. 

MikeJXE said:

  With the energy and the EV threads,  if you don't agree with what the eco activists say about smart meters and electric vehicles you are either wrong and be told so many times or ignored 

The fact that you use "eco activist" to describe people who support grid modernisation and/or recognise the benefits of EVs says a lot about you and nothing about them.

MikeJXE said:

 It don't matter to me, I posted my costs over 3 years and wondered how others have done,

You did, but largely lacking in context. 3,641

MikeJXE said:

No comment apparently, no discussion there  but add an assumption of why and the site goes into overdrive 

You did post comment, then became combative when people did not agree with you everything being for the benefit of "the wealthy". 

MikeJXE said:

No I'm not bitter at all, those who want smart meters are welcome to them, I was smart meter for the first 2 years, no complaints,  dumb now but if I was asked to have one I would not refuse, some will and thats their choice. 

If that is your perception of your posts then I would suggest you need to re-read what you have written.

MikeJXE said:

I have nothing against an EV but 1) I wouldn't pay that much for a car and 2) I live in a flat so no possibility of charging, I am also happy with what I have, a car that doesn't emit as much crap in a year as a tank does in a day but thats another story, with that even if the whole country went electric tomorrow it wouldn't stop us breathing the air coming from China, India and Russia, the answer to that will be every little helps but it doesn't, not that little. 

 Yes I have posted on smart meters and the EV thread 

Charging options are available, there are government grants for charging points in car parks for flats, charging points are rolling out across lamp posts, old BT Green Cabinets, other locations etc. Comparing a domestic car to a tank is an irrelevant comparison. One of the main benefits of EVs is not just the carbon reduction, but the huge reduction on local pollution, in most large cities one can actually taste the diesel particulate, the exhaust from an ICE car would kill the occupants if it were piped through the passenger cabin, EVs produce nothing directly and much of the electricity used is produced from renewables.  Every little does help, China is also switching to EVs at a faster rate than most Western nations because they recognise the need. 

MikeJXE said:

What I don't like is the one sided view that the eco warriors have, sling facts and figures about that are not all true but make out they are. Say smart meters should be mandatory plus, ICE cars should be banned and we should be forced into electric.

Facts are not "one sided" or "not all true" because you do not like them or lack the capacity to understand them. Smart meters should be made mandatory, ICE cars should be banned over time, no one rational is suggesting an immediate ban and based on current plans there will still be ICE cars on the road in 20+ years time, it will just be that new ICE vehicles will no longer be being sold, and rightly so, because it will be and already is an outdated, polluting technology that should be phased out in favour of clean, efficient technologies. Or would you rather still have trepanning for a headache, or the recommendation of smoking five cigarettes to help cure a lung infection?