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Why is wine in pubs/restaurants so expensive?
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Why is wine in pubs/restaurants so expensive and has anyone started a campaign to do anything about it?
I understand that draft beer requires some TLC. Correct cellar temperature, clean pipes and even pouring skills, so although not 100% happy, can accept the usual price charged.
But for a large glass of wine out of a bottle that can be brought for a fraction of the cost is so expensive.
Just requires a fridge at the correct temperature and that's it.
So why is it so damn expensive and why haven't people been up in arms about it?
Or have they and I've missed it?
Thanks for your responses in advance.
I understand that draft beer requires some TLC. Correct cellar temperature, clean pipes and even pouring skills, so although not 100% happy, can accept the usual price charged.
But for a large glass of wine out of a bottle that can be brought for a fraction of the cost is so expensive.
Just requires a fridge at the correct temperature and that's it.
So why is it so damn expensive and why haven't people been up in arms about it?
Or have they and I've missed it?
Thanks for your responses in advance.
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Because they need to make a profit in order to survive. The markup on wine has always been about 3 times the supermarket price as long as I can remember. People who are willing to pay it drink in pubs and restaurants, those who don't, drink at home.
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Because they can.
I know that some places you need to look at what a bottle costs versus a glass. I went into one place a few years back and a glass of wine was £4.50 and the bottle was on special for £5. No brainer. (& we had no brains after a few....)
There was a place I used to frequent years ago and far away (across the pond) who made a point that a bottle of wine was the local regulated price (government run alcohol distribution shops) plus $2. It stopped people from loading up before going out and upped their take from people coming in to drink and have nibbles instead of a meal. Basically the $2 was "corkage".I’m a Forum Ambassador and I support the Forum Team on Debt Free Wannabe, Old Style Money Saving and Pensions boards. If you need any help on these boards, do let me know. Please note that Ambassadors are not moderators. Any posts you spot in breach of the Forum Rules should be reported via the report button, or by emailing forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. All views are my own and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.
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If you want to start a campaign then not buying the wine would be a good place to begin.Like anything people charge what they can and people buy what they can.Things that are differerent: draw & drawer, brought & bought, loose & lose, dose & does, payed & paid0
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Thanks for the comments so far folks.
Understand all that stuff but just feel that things are a bit skewed in particular when charging high prices for wine.
Would understand if the prices were increased relative to other drinks.0 -
Arguably beer is more marked up than wine. Eg £6 bottle of wine from a supermarket might be £18 in a pub, whereas a pint of beer in a supermarket is under £1 Vs £5 or £6 in a pub!
With pubs it's more to do with the vast rents pubs have to pay to the owners, which are really just property portfolios now extracting excessive rents, and no longer actual pub chains.
It's why Wetherspoons is cheaper, they are more like a traditional pub co, who own their properties themselves rather than package the properties up as investment vehicles.2 -
It is not unusual that restaurants run on a fine margin for the food main courses.
It is the "up sell" items - starters, deserts, drinks where the venue can make a profit.
The alternative to high drinks prices is higher prices for the main menu.
One way or another, the restaurant needs to cover all the costs plus make a profit. Doing so on an "optional" part of the package is probably the best of the options.1 -
Someone has to pay the staff to bring your opened bottle of wine to your table. Someone has to clean the glasses you've used when you've finished quaffing it down (and paying for the replacement glasses some customers knock off the tables or drop in fits of laughter). Someone has to pay the electric bill to keep your table warm/cool and the lights on. Someone has to buy the table and chairs you're sitting on. And so on, and so on....It's a much, much, much bigger picture than just 'I can get a bottle like this in Tesco for £5 and they're charging me £15!'. They aren't trying to rip you off - they're trying to make a profit while surviving. If you want a bottle of wine for a fiver, then you'd be better off going to Tesco and sitting at home or in the park (subject to the park allowing it) drinking it.Tesco might be buying 20,000 bottles from a supplier directly compared to your local independent restaurant who'll be buying them from a local drink wholesaler at a few cases at a time (who will also want their share of the profits of course). They won't be getting the wine at the knockdown prices Tesco will be.Having run a restaurant previously - I always tried to get better wines than the likes of Tesco at common price points while keeping a reasonable margin. Yes, my customers could get a bottle of Sauvignon Blanc for a fiver in the supermarket - but I can't remember anyone ever complaining at my prices once they'd tasted the wines I'd selected which were generally from smaller scale producers that seemed to offer better quality and taste than the mass produced Tesco generics.9
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The markup on wine & beer is nothing compared to the mark up of fizzy drinks from the pump.
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For the same reason that McDonalds make huge mark up's on their meals. Costa Coffee and Starbucks on their drinks. To survive in business. We all have choices when we go out. As to what we spend our money on.
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HillStreetBlues said:The markup on wine & beer is nothing compared to the mark up of fizzy drinks from the pump.I was about to say the same - and generally they don't have much fizz by the time the soda water and syrup have been mixed and fired into the glass. If I were going to have a fizzy drink in a pub (which is unlikely) I would get something like coke out of a bottle, as at least it wouldn't be nearly flat.With regard to the OP's point, it's the same with pretty much everything you buy in a pub/restaurant. If you were to add up the costs of the ingredients of a typical pub/restaurant meal it would be a fraction of the cost of what they charge for the meal but, as others have pointed out, they have to make a profit and if everything were sold at even cost price x 2 they wouldn't survive. Huge numbers of pubs have closed in recent years and there is a great deal of 'churn' with restaurants, so it's obviously not a very easy way to make money.0
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