PCN issued by NPE Norwich

Dunk123_2

Hi All,

I have read the noob threads and so I'll try and keep this quick (I made a mistake and read an old thread which said to basically appeal and then do nothing and then read another that said this is outdated!).

So, I got a PCN from National Parking Enforcement at the Co-Op off Earlham Road in Norwich for being in a child parent space for a grand total of 4 minutes. My child wasn't feeling well when I pulled up and my partner was in the car so I ran in and got some essentials and left him in the car. Got a ticket for not being 'accompanied with a child out of the vehicle' which I was completely ignorant to. I get the rule and wouldn't park in these spaces if I didn't need to buy didn't think it would be a problem to run into the shop!

I appealed giving some bull that it tooke 4 minutes to read the sign and had a child in the car but they declined stating that they could see an item in my hand that I had bought from the shop. Didn't give my identity away....

Next steps are to find the land owner and ask them to get it cancelled (I think it's the co-op on site) and complain to my local MP. 

My question is - I was in violation of the rules so not really sure how I complain without coming across as an entitled brat and actually getting them to cancel it for me? 

Any help would be much appreciated!

Petriix

They couldn't possibly win in court if you were genuinely only there for 4 minutes. In any case, the stipulation that you must be accompanied by the child out of the vehicle is likely not enforceable. I was issued two PCNs for the same supposed infringement at this location and they didn't bother trying to take me to court, although I suggested that they do so just so that they would waste their own time and money. For amusement I also thanked them for engaging my correspondence services and informed them that I charged £50 per letter. Weirdly they never wrote back. 

Coupon-mad

Next steps are to find the land owner and ask them to get it cancelled (I think it's the co-op on site)

No chance. It isn't.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80460697#Comment_80460697?utm_source=community-search&utm_medium=organic-search&utm_term=bellgold

On 21st February 2017 Bellgold Ltd, the former freeholder, divested itself of the freehold reversion in the building (but not the surrounding land, including a small Co-op supermarket and car parking area).

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/20841962.earlham-house-shopping-centre-car-park-still-owned-bellgold-properties-despite-sale-complex/

Despite protests from local Councillors, the shops and customers nothing has been done to improve matters and according to all the newspaper reports about this cash cow site, Bellgold seem content to let NPE do what they want.  Loads of articles are about the parent & child spaces predatory 'scam'.

You won't be paying.

Just ignore NPE.

Come back to this thread and reply if you get a LBC or court claim. To prepare, read and bookmark the 2nd post of the NEWBIES thread.

Dunk123_2

Hi,

Could you clear up a little confusion for me. I have read the noobie thread and the acronym page makes reference to Letter Before Action but doesn't state what to do with this only what to do if you get a Letter Before Claim. Are they synonymous? This thread implies they are: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6492292/earlham-house-parent-child-bay-fine-ignore-or-not. There are several forms at the back so I'm assuming they're the same but it has come NPE and not a solicitor.

My only question is, do I actually do anything with a Letter Before Action?

Thank you for any help.
Duncan.

Castle

Dunk123_2 said:

Hi,

Could you clear up a little confusion for me. I have read the noobie thread and the acronym page makes reference to Letter Before Action but doesn't state what to do with this only what to do if you get a Letter Before Claim. Are they synonymous? This thread implies they are: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6492292/earlham-house-parent-child-bay-fine-ignore-or-not. There are several forms at the back so I'm assuming they're the same but it has come NPE and not a solicitor.

My only question is, do I actually do anything with a Letter Before Action?

Thank you for any help.
Duncan.

Yes, it's the same thing providing they give you 30 days to reply; but, don't fill in any forms.

Dunk123_2

Hi again,

Well, I have now received a letter before claim conviently just before Christmas (I assume this is another tactic to get you to pay).

The letter is from Gladstone solicitors and after reading the noobie thread looks like I just have to send the below to them:

Any chance anyone has won without having to go to court? I had a search but couldn't find anything. I have a 4 week old at home so it would be good to avoid this but will attend if needed. Thank you for any help.

Dear Sirs,

Your ref: [insert reference number]

Proposed legal proceedings

Claimant: National Parking Enforcement Limited

I refer to your letter of claim.

I confirm that my address for service for the time being is as follows, and any older address must be erased from your records:

[Insert correct address here]

You should revert to your client because the 'propensity to pay' score in my case is zero, so any claim is hopeless and a waste of the court fee (whether 'fronted' by your firm or not). Move on to weaker victims.

The alleged 'debt' is disputed and any court proceedings will be vigorously defended.

I parked in a child space with a child who was sleeping at the time and was in the space for less than 4 minutes. There was no grace period given to read the parking instructions.

Yours faithfully,

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Coupon-mad

Any chance anyone has won without having to go to court?

Pretty much everyone.