Group thread: Heathrow Gatwick Manchester & other Airport drop-off PCNs - easy: how to appeal & win

KeithP

lisptt39 said:

calpol_junkie said:

Hi Guys,

I'm going to tack onto this thread as I'm sure there's enough threads relating to airport PCNs.

So I was a naughty boy and I stopped my car in a no-no zone at the airport, and doing some research into the legalities of this led me here (I stopped the car in a lay-by for about 45 seconds and was caught on ANPR)

So the template appeal letters seems to all argue POPA being unenforceable due to:

1. The 'relevant land' argument as its under statutory control (airport bylaws)
2. The lack of adequate signage
3. The PCN itself not conforming to BPA standards/not having the required wordage of the BPA CoC

The issue with my particular case is that:

1. There is a big sign saying 'private road' upon entry to the airport property (I assume to quash any 'relevant land' arguments)
2. There is a giant sign saying 'no stopping' and the exact amount in £ they will sting you for if you do stop
3. My PCN basically had all the right wording including the 'if you don't surrender the name of the driver we can pursue the keeper etc etc'

I initially thought I might be able argue grace periods, but after reading through the BPA code of conduct, it seems to be pretty black and white regarding stopping, basically if you stop for anything other than a real emergency, you get a ticket. No grace period, you stop, you get ticket. The rules for parking seem to have way more loopholes than stopping.

I fear if I send the template appeal letter they'll just send one back saying all the points I'm arguing are basically null due to the reasons I've stated.

Am I missing anything which can help my case and maybe defeat the ticket?

Hi Calpol junkie 
just wondered how you got on with an appeal as my Son has done the same thing as he missed the sign for the hotel which actually went into the multi storey carpark so pull over to drop off he paid the £6 drop off charge, but still got £100 fine for stopping 2 minutes just not sure where to for advice on this sort of appeal 

So often we see on this forum people who take the guidance offered and when it works they 'forget' to report back.
You can bet your boots that they would be back to report if it didn't work though.  

Suggest you too follow the proposal put forward by @grizebeck on this thread on 6 August at 2:07PM.

rak8180

Just done this and it has worked. Looks like there is a problem with the autopay because I have just received 3 more of these......

Coupon-mad

rak8180 said:

Just done this and it has worked. Looks like there is a problem with the autopay because I have just received 3 more of these......

Complain to the landowner because this treatment of consumers is not acceptable.  But DO NOT imply who was driving in any appeal or complaint.

rak8180

Coupon-mad said:

rak8180 said:

Just done this and it has worked. Looks like there is a problem with the autopay because I have just received 3 more of these......

Complain to the landowner because this treatment of consumers is not acceptable.  But DO NOT imply who was driving in any appeal or complaint.

Honestly its a joke. Waste of time having to do this. Thanks for your advice, how would I go about complaining to the landowner ?

njc99

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone - got a fine notice from Gatwick for forgetting the drop off charge. Sent an email using the template here and received confirmation a couple of weeks later that the charge was dropped. £60 saved!

Coupon-mad

Very good to hear. Easy when you know how!

potatoheads

Hi, what wording should I use if I am the driver and not the registered keeper? The car is a lease/contract hire so they will send the fine on to me. I completely forgot to pay when my husband dropped my parents at Heathrow on Tuesday. I went to do it but obviously it’s too late! 

Coupon-mad

potatoheads said:

Hi, what wording should I use if I am the driver and not the registered keeper? The car is a lease/contract hire so they will send the fine on to me. I completely forgot to pay when my husband dropped my parents at Heathrow on Tuesday. I went to do it but obviously it’s too late! 

You aren't the driver though. You just said you weren't.

You will be using the lease/hire car appeal in the NEWBIES thread but only when you get your own NTH in the post. Are you sure your lease firm won't just pay it? You must check.

potatoheads

I’m not the driver but the contract is in my name. The company wont pay it they will write and give authorization for the company to speak directly to me, I’ve just had a PCN from Oxford council for doing a prohibited turn. Had no idea! Don’t live in the area and was trying to get MIL to a hospital appointment. Grrr

Le_Kirk

potatoheads said:

I’m not the driver but the contract is in my name. The company wont pay it they will write and give authorization for the company to speak directly to me, I’ve just had a PCN from Oxford council for doing a prohibited turn. Had no idea! Don’t live in the area and was trying to get MIL to a hospital appointment. Grrr

Which company is which? It is confusing! The lease company should transfer liability to the hirer, who should then receive a NTH in their name, then the hirer appeals as hirer not driver using one of the suggestion to be found in this thread. See https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80923928/#Comment_80923928