New Car Tax rates in April 2024

MattMattMattUK

sevenhills said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Nope. Zero emission vehicles will pay nothing, more polluting vehicles will pay significantly more as a first year amount. Less efficient vehicles will also use more fuel so paying significantly more duty and VAT per mile. 

What do you mean by zero emissions?

I mean zero vehicle emissions, overall emissions are somewhat harder to quantify, but they are equally bad for ICE vehicles as we only count exhaust pipe emission, we ignore extraction, refining and transport emissions for ICE vehicles. 

sevenhills said:

What are the real C02 emissions of a fully electric car using todays energy grid?

If by "real" you mean it should include power generation emissions, my understanding is it varies, based on when the vehicle is charged. If charged overnight then zero to very low CO2, if charged in the middle of a windy day, sunny day or a combination of both then it can be similar, if charged from one's own solar generation then zero emission. The worst is generally going to be fast charging mid-morning or late afternoon/early evening when far more power is generated from gas. 

sevenhills said:

I am with the 100% renewables tariff from Octopus, but its meaningless isn't it?

It is not meaningless, but it is certainly marketing fudge, the same as anything involving carbon credits is marketing fudge. As a business I decided to make my business net zero, working out our actual usage was the easy bit, finding any scheme that stood up to scrutiny (not passing the audits, that bit is easy, actual scrutiny), was the hard bit. It appears many potential carbon sinks are re-sold so many times over, or their very concept is dubious (eg. trees planted, whole life CO2 removal accounted for on planting, 65% die within a year, after five years they are harvested for wood for paper making even though their CO2 calculation was based on 20+ years etc.). In the end we did two things, firstly I bought land in the UK and with the help of a wildlife charity we are planting trees and re-wilding as a CO2 sink and we have also partnered a charity who replants woodland and forest in Africa as part of a program to regenerate land that has previously been deforested, but there is no double selling of the carbon reduction as they do not sell them, they are not tradable credits, although we can use them for our own purposes. 

Uncletech

I was being hyperthetical. My car was actually registered in March 2017 so I pay £150 per year less than for a car registered a month later. I am very fortunate.

Nasqueron

landghove said:

I'm confused by this...my wife taxed her petrol Mini in July this year and it was the usual £20.

It just said on the news all cars are £190 to tax now?

The information you need is all on the government website

For EVs and low emissions:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vehicle-tax-for-electric-and-low-emissions-vehicles

For other cars:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6603f64b13397a0011e419be/v149-rates-of-vehicle-tax-for-cars-motorcycles-light-goods-vehicles-and-private-light-goods-vehicles.pdf

If it was registered 1/3/01 - 1/4/17 it won't change that I can see (mine is still £20)
If it was registered 1/4/17 onwards it will be the £190 for 12 months

With the news, you're probably thinking of new cars

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There are 2 Budgets before April 1st, that £190 could be £1,900 by then It will certainly be at least £200 as they increase it by RPI and help us budget by rounding it up to the nearest £10.

Current plan is to SORN my EV at the end of Feb and tax it from 1st March at the zero rate and not have to pay VED until March 2026.

If the hike is large enough, I may SORN the ICE car between Christmas & New Year, and tax it again from 1st Jan at the current £190.

born_again

EnPointe said:

Car_54 said:

Could the OP not SORN his car before the rate rise, and then re-tax it for a further year at the old rate?

No,  because it  does not change the  date of First Registration 

Which makes me wonder if all these people that thought they were gaming the system by applying to re tax their cars are in for a nasty shock from next march.


Letter DVLA are sending out states.

Electric Vehicle tax rates.
The rate of vehicle tax for your electric vehicle will depend on when the vehicle was 1st registered & what type of vehicle it is (Car, motorcycle or Van)

Seems pretty clear, no mention on when it was last (Free) taxed (VED) on system.

Now would that be egg on Mr Lewis face.🤦‍♀️

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To game the system you have to SORN and therefore surrender the current tax.

Then you lift the SORN (online it is 5 days later, sooner a a "Post Office" if there is still one within 100 miles of you that handles vehicle tax...) and "pay" for 12 months tax, at the current rate when the tax starts, so it has to start on 1st March or it will be at the post April 1st rate.

No doubt The Chancellor is aware of this, and is working to change how VED is paid, so if you buy 12 months tax in March you have to pay the higher rate for the 11 months from April (Therefore if you buy 12 months tax from Oct 1st- before The Autumn Budget, they will ask you for more money for the 6 months post March that will be at a higher rate that hasn't even been announced yet!)

landghove

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There are 2 Budgets before April 1st, that £190 could be £1,900 by then It will certainly be at least £200 as they increase it by RPI and help us budget by rounding it up to the nearest £10.

Current plan is to SORN my EV at the end of Feb and tax it from 1st March at the zero rate and not have to pay VED until March 2026.

If the hike is large enough, I may SORN the ICE car between Christmas & New Year, and tax it again from 1st Jan at the current £190.

Do you have to SORN it?...can't you just re-tax it?

born_again

landghove said:

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There are 2 Budgets before April 1st, that £190 could be £1,900 by then It will certainly be at least £200 as they increase it by RPI and help us budget by rounding it up to the nearest £10.

Current plan is to SORN my EV at the end of Feb and tax it from 1st March at the zero rate and not have to pay VED until March 2026.

If the hike is large enough, I may SORN the ICE car between Christmas & New Year, and tax it again from 1st Jan at the current £190.

Do you have to SORN it?...can't you just re-tax it?

Many may fall into this trap thinking they get longer..
As DVLA state VED is due from date of Registration on the letter.

Time will tell. But many may get a nasty shock come march 2025 if DVLA send the letters out.

Poor ML will also have egg on his face 🤣

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landghove said:

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There are 2 Budgets before April 1st, that £190 could be £1,900 by then It will certainly be at least £200 as they increase it by RPI and help us budget by rounding it up to the nearest £10.

Current plan is to SORN my EV at the end of Feb and tax it from 1st March at the zero rate and not have to pay VED until March 2026.

If the hike is large enough, I may SORN the ICE car between Christmas & New Year, and tax it again from 1st Jan at the current £190.

Do you have to SORN it?...can't you just re-tax it?

You have to SORN it to cancel the tax, then apply for "new" tax. Re-taxing would start when the current tax ends, and you can only do it a month before it is due, 2 months if you make representation to DVLA and explain why you want to tax too early.

However, I haven't had one, but DVLA were supposed to have sent out letters to all EV owners warning that they will be charged for tax.

Apparently there is the usual Q&A, with an interesting one being

"Oh no, whatever shall I do?"

And the answer

"Fear not, for we shall calculate the tax payable when you renew you tax"

calculate- implies that it has to be worked out.

I wonder if they intend to charge a split rate from Jan1st or something, so if I tax my EV on Jan 1st I only get 3 months free, and pay the other 9 pro-rata?

Has anyone actually received one of these mysterious letters and can confirm?

landghove

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landghove said:

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There are 2 Budgets before April 1st, that £190 could be £1,900 by then It will certainly be at least £200 as they increase it by RPI and help us budget by rounding it up to the nearest £10.

Current plan is to SORN my EV at the end of Feb and tax it from 1st March at the zero rate and not have to pay VED until March 2026.

If the hike is large enough, I may SORN the ICE car between Christmas & New Year, and tax it again from 1st Jan at the current £190.

Do you have to SORN it?...can't you just re-tax it?

You have to SORN it to cancel the tax, then apply for "new" tax. Re-taxing would start when the current tax ends, and you can only do it a month before it is due, 2 months if you make representation to DVLA and explain why you want to tax too early."

No thats not correct, I have just 're-taxed' my Tesla. Tax was not due to be renewed until April 2025. I have just now pushed it out to October 2025 before it is due again.

I will repeat this process in March of next year.