Upgrading old electricity meter to a smart one

Keep_pedalling

MikeJXE said:

QrizB said:

MikeJXE said:

What they don't tell you is 12% of smart meters are dumb

And the reason they don't tell you that, of course, is because it isn't true.

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

We do get a few problems at weekends, don't we?

Is this from the Financial Times also a lie 

https://www.ft.com/content/70ff2d39-6a95-4bc2-9b5a-9436884e9da7

No idea, it’s behind a pay wall.

debitcardmayhem

MikeJXE said:

QrizB said:

MikeJXE said:

What they don't tell you is 12% of smart meters are dumb

And the reason they don't tell you that, of course, is because it isn't true.

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

We do get a few problems at weekends, don't we?

Is this from the Financial Times also a lie 

https://www.ft.com/content/70ff2d39-6a95-4bc2-9b5a-9436884e9da7

Behind a paywall👣

BellaBlondykeTheThird

MikeJXE said:

QrizB said:

MikeJXE said:

What they don't tell you is 12% of smart meters are dumb

And the reason they don't tell you that, of course, is because it isn't true.

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

We do get a few problems at weekends, don't we?

Is this from the Financial Times also a lie 

https://www.ft.com/content/70ff2d39-6a95-4bc2-9b5a-9436884e9da7

Behind a paywall and 9 months our of date.

Latest figures in the link provided after your inaccurate figures.

QrizB

MikeJXE said:

QrizB said:

MikeJXE said:

What they don't tell you is 12% of smart meters are dumb

And the reason they don't tell you that, of course, is because it isn't true.

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

We do get a few problems at weekends, don't we?

Is this from the Financial Times also a lie
https://www.ft.com/content/70ff2d39-6a95-4bc2-9b5a-9436884e9da7

No idea, as I can only read the headline.

Dear @Dolor would always point to the French smart meter system, where the government chose a ingle reference model of smart meter and made sure every customer received the same one, as a more foresighted approach than the UK where our laissez-faire government pubished a spec (later revised) but left it to "the market" to provide meters. Hence us now having a hodge-podge of meters and comms hubs and a configuration control nightmare.

Not entirely sure how that's relevant to this thread, though?

Reed_Richards

I had a smart meter installed in August.  The installer said that it was not possible to test the comms hub until the meter part had been installed and when the comms hub was installed he concluded that the signal was too weak for it to work.  Fortunately he was wrong.  But any suggestion that a smart meter would not be installed if it was only capable of operating in "dumb" mode is wrong in my experience.  But because the installer thought that the meter would be "dumb" I was not allowed to have an IHD.  I wonder if that happened to the other 2,999,999, or whatever that number is. 

QrizB

Reed_Richards said:

I wonder if that happened to the other 2,999,999, or whatever that number is. 

A non-exhaustive list might include:

• Flat batteries in gas meters
• Cell tower or radio site outages
  
• Failed or faulty OTH firmware updates
• Embedded system crashes
• etc.
  

Some of them will be temporary, others will be fixable remotely, and the most stubborn ones will require a technician to visit.

ArbitraryRandom

MikeJXE said:

Of the 32.4 million installed smart meters, 9% or three million were not operating in smart mode at the end of March 2023 “and are effectively indistinguishable from a traditional meter”, according to the NAO. This means they do not send energy use information to suppliers and may not display this to customers

Thank you for posting the article, though I'm not sure why you thought it appropriate to post the whole thing - that would seem to be a clear violation of copyright (which would allow for a short quote to be copied under 'fair use'). 

With reference to the discussion, you claimed 12% were dumb - your 'evidence' states 9% AND it's quoting figures from early last year... want to try again? 

Cashmygiro

Netexporter said:

Cashmygiro said:

Keep_pedalling said:

Cashmygiro said:

Leccy companies will try anything to get you to switch to a smart meter. There is probably nothing wrong with your current meter and the 2nd rate is probably not used hence why the dial doesn't move.

And conspiracy theorists will tell you a load of old bull why you shouldn’t get one.

Although the OP has not said what the night rate is used for, I think there opening post makes it pretty clear that they know it is faulty.

Like the old bull the energy companies and government tell you as to why you must get a smart meter and why your life will be so much better with one.

Funnily enough, most of us who have smart meters pay a lot less for our energy, get accurate billing, without effort, and sometimes get paid if we help to reduce demand at critical times.

But it is a free country, so you are able to carry on shooting yourself in the foot, if you wish, as long as you have a licence for the gun.

I get accurate billing and I'm on a low tariff with Octopus. Getting a smart meter is not going to save me any more money. 

Cashmygiro

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

But back on subject there do seem to be a fair few people with jaded view if energy suppliers and their smart meter installs. I do wonder if this is on the back of the poor media clickbait coverage of obscene profits and such.

MultiFuelBurner said:

Welcome to the weekend SS where the mods don't return until midday Monday and the trolls are known to visit (not that I class anyone a troll here this is just a general statement)

But back on subject there do seem to be a fair few people with jaded view if energy suppliers and their smart meter installs. I do wonder if this is on the back of the poor media clickbait coverage of obscene profits and such.

So someone who doesn't agree with you is a troll now?

MikeJXE

ArbitraryRandom said:

MikeJXE said:

Of the 32.4 million installed smart meters, 9% or three million were not operating in smart mode at the end of March 2023 “and are effectively indistinguishable from a traditional meter”, according to the NAO. This means they do not send energy use information to suppliers and may not display this to customers

Thank you for posting the article, though I'm not sure why you thought it appropriate to post the whole thing - that would seem to be a clear violation of copyright (which would allow for a short quote to be copied under 'fair use'). 

With reference to the discussion, you claimed 12% were dumb - your 'evidence' states 9% AND it's quoting figures from early last year... want to try again? 

The point I am trying to get across is that there are 2 sides to a story that the eco warriors don't want you to know 

You might convince more customers to change to smart meters and perhaps EV cars if you told the whole truth.