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Plagued by restrictive covenants.

Statex2_2
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I am attempting to move and had to pull out a few times because of structural or legal problems and restrictive covenants on various houses.. I find the whole situation of restrictive covenants archaic and overdue for modern laws to abolish them. For instance why should someone dictate what can be built on a piece of land over 100 years later. One property I intended to purchase had a covenant of no fences, although it was in the countryside and another had the stipulation that the beneficiary is entitled to smash down any fence to enter the property to enforce the covenants.
Does anyone know what happens if the original person who sold the property is dead and no one of the same name in the area. I am considering the purchase of a property that is made up of 3 pieces of land (purchased years apart), two with covenants. First sale 1919,1924, second 1939 1941. and third unknown. The problem is that one strip has a bungalow , the second has a garage and the third a few sheds The covenants state that the permission of the beneficiary or decendants is required before any building can be errected.
The plots changed hands so many times when first sold and there are several names on the original deeds and it is difficult to decipher who is the beneficiary. The problem is compounded if the beneficiary married and changed their name.
Would a letter requesting permission to build on the land sent to the last known address of the beneficiary in 1919, requesting a reply within 14 days suffice and nulify any claim? The property is in a semi rural area not an estate each house is different in size,design and amount of land included. Most have ben extended or had additions or annexed. Any advice would be appreciated.
Does anyone know what happens if the original person who sold the property is dead and no one of the same name in the area. I am considering the purchase of a property that is made up of 3 pieces of land (purchased years apart), two with covenants. First sale 1919,1924, second 1939 1941. and third unknown. The problem is that one strip has a bungalow , the second has a garage and the third a few sheds The covenants state that the permission of the beneficiary or decendants is required before any building can be errected.
The plots changed hands so many times when first sold and there are several names on the original deeds and it is difficult to decipher who is the beneficiary. The problem is compounded if the beneficiary married and changed their name.
Would a letter requesting permission to build on the land sent to the last known address of the beneficiary in 1919, requesting a reply within 14 days suffice and nulify any claim? The property is in a semi rural area not an estate each house is different in size,design and amount of land included. Most have ben extended or had additions or annexed. Any advice would be appreciated.
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I think you're going to have to rely on your solicitor's advice about this (have you had any yet?), it's going to be difficult for any of us to give useful guidance without seeing the deeds.
For what it's worth, I've never heard of the concept of writing a letter to somebody 105 years after they were last heard of - have you?11 -
Just because the covenants there doesn’t mean anyone is going to enforce it.
Parent successfully ran a business for many years in a property that had a restrictive covenant from 100 years ago saying that no business could be run from the premises.
It also said she couldn’t take a horse and carriage down the drive, but that was less of an issue. She has since sold the business to someone else and it’s still up and running from the same property.It’s about due diligence and looking into how realistic it is that there may be someone around, who would still enforce it.In our case, the solicitor failed to spot and point out the covenant at the time the property was bought and it only came to light with a remortgage several years later, As it was solicitor error they paid for an indemnity policy which in practice was never needed.All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.
Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.2 -
I had a BTL flat in a block of about 50 that had been built in the 1980s on land previously owned by the Temperence Society and a covenant prevented the consumption of alcohol on the premises. Had to buy an insurance policy against this being enforced. Judging by the number of bottles in the recycling bins, the deceased historic landowner must have been turning in his grave.Signature on holiday for two weeks7
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Thanks for the replies.0
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Just have a big bonfire then start again.1
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user1977 said:I think you're going to have to rely on your solicitor's advice about this (have you had any yet?), it's going to be difficult for any of us to give useful guidance without seeing the deeds.
For what it's worth, I've never heard of the concept of writing a letter to somebody 105 years after they were last heard of - have you?
The covenant states that any building on the land must be approved by the vendor or his successors or representatives.
My theory is that I have fulfilled the requirements of the covenant by seeking permission if they do not update their forwarding address or contact details to either approve or decline the permission its not my fault.
The problem is that I want to move to the property with my son and his family and build an annexe for myself. The only place suitable is on the strip of land with the covenant. There is more land to the side but all the trees are covered by a blanket TPO and I would have to remove several trees to build there. I should walk away but it is the only house in the area with enough land, that we can afford to achieve our aim.0 -
Mutton_Geoff said:I had a BTL flat in a block of about 50 that had been built in the 1980s on land previously owned by the Temperence Society and a covenant prevented the consumption of alcohol on the premises. Had to buy an insurance policy against this being enforced. Judging by the number of bottles in the recycling bins, the deceased historic landowner must have been turning in his grave.0
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elsien said:Just because the covenants there doesn’t mean anyone is going to enforce it.
Parent successfully ran a business for many years in a property that had a restrictive covenant from 100 years ago saying that no business could be run from the premises.
It also said she couldn’t take a horse and carriage down the drive, but that was less of an issue. She has since sold the business to someone else and it’s still up and running from the same property.It’s about due diligence and looking into how realistic it is that there may be someone around, who would still enforce it.In our case, the solicitor failed to spot and point out the covenant at the time the property was bought and it only came to light with a remortgage several years later, As it was solicitor error they paid for an indemnity policy which in practice was never needed.0 -
MultiFuelBurner said:Just have a big bonfire then start again.0
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Roast pork and goat on the menu there soon, yum 😏3
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