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Scot_39

MultiFuelBurner said:

bristolleedsfan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

(please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://www.scottishpower.com/news/pages/2022_brings_record_green_investment_pipeline_for_scottish_power_uk_plc.aspx

https://www.scottishpowerrenewables.com/pages/our_projects.aspx

https://www.scottishpower.com/pages/green_recovery.aspx

https://www.greeninvestmentgroup.com/en/projects-and-perspectives/accelerating-scotlands-energy-transition.html#:~:text=Projects supported have included the £74m Speyside green,of low energy streetlighting across major Scottish councils.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/08/scottishpower-build-150m-green-hydrogen-plant-port-felixstowe

Sounds like a very green renewable future ahead 👍

You say that like it's a universely good thing.

It arguably is for the environment - ignoring the short term damage from manufacturing, and installation / connection upgrades and end of life recycling - all with associated emissions.

It's not for grid operational efficiency.

Wind is simply too unreliable a generation source - with output as low as 3% of installed capacity during last Dec cold snap.


And at the moment definitely not for grid costs - or our bills - with £10s billions planned spend on new connections to integrate and distribute their power.

And for that matter yet again for unit rate costs either - as CfD contract renewables adding £15pa to Ofgem headline cap.

With 2015 auction CfD ratexactually moreexpensive than Hinkley C nuclear - even more so if Sizewell discount rate factored in.

Just as many of the original green tariffs carried a significant price premium - the truly green tariffs - those not hiding behind rego certificate type trading - are to this date still excluded from Ofgem tariff caps.

MultiFuelBurner

Scot_39 said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

bristolleedsfan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

(please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://www.scottishpower.com/news/pages/2022_brings_record_green_investment_pipeline_for_scottish_power_uk_plc.aspx

https://www.scottishpowerrenewables.com/pages/our_projects.aspx

https://www.scottishpower.com/pages/green_recovery.aspx

https://www.greeninvestmentgroup.com/en/projects-and-perspectives/accelerating-scotlands-energy-transition.html#:~:text=Projects supported have included the £74m Speyside green,of low energy streetlighting across major Scottish councils.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/08/scottishpower-build-150m-green-hydrogen-plant-port-felixstowe

Sounds like a very green renewable future ahead 👍

You say that like it's a universely good thing.

It arguably is for the environment - ignoring the short term damage from manufacturing, and installation / connection upgrades and end of life recycling - all with associated emissions.

It's not for grid operational efficiency.

Wind is simply too unreliable a generation source - with output as low as 3% of installed capacity during last Dec cold snap.


And at the moment definitely not for grid costs - or our bills - with £10s billions planned spend on new connections to integrate and distribute their power.

And for that matter yet again for unit rate costs either - as CfD contract renewables adding £15pa to Ofgem headline cap.

With 2015 auction CfD ratexactually moreexpensive than Hinkley C nuclear - even more so if Sizewell discount rate factored in.

Just as many of the original green tariffs carried a significant price premium - the truly green tariffs - those not hiding behind rego certificate type trading - are to this date still excluded from Ofgem tariff caps.

Obviously taken as a one liner (I don't respond war and peace every post)

I have actually advocated more nuclear power as the way forward, with wind/solar etc as supplementary to this.

But yes any step in the right green direction gets a little cheer from us and I do see Nuclear as relatively green compared to burning gas and coal.

TheElectricCow

Qyburn said:

Gerry1 said:

@Qyburn @Strummer22 Those 'apps' are already here.  Smart meters have various control facilities such as Load Limiting where you're limited to a kW or two.  

I've not seen that technically described.  What does it do when load limiting actually kicks in, does it cut right off? I don't think actual load limiting, like a whole house dimmer, would be practical. Apart from the circuitry needed a lot off appliances would malfunction or be damaged. 

The load limit is a configurable maximum value in watts that the meter will allow, and if usage goes above this level for a configurable number of seconds the supply then disconnects. The supply can then be immediately restored by the press of a button on the physical meter and is also configurable to reconnect power automatically after a number of seconds. The meter can also send an alert to the IHD to inform that the load limit has been reached.


So it would be a case of if you exceed X kW for Y amount of time you’ll either have to go press a button or wait for Z amount of time for power to come back. As an example, in practice this might look something like exceeding 12kW for 30 seconds disconnects the supply, which automatically reconnects after 2 minutes. 

It won’t be a case of big brother taking away your electricity rights for the day if you switch a 2kW fan heater on, as some people would like to make out.

Qyburn

MultiFuelBurner said:

I have actually advocated more nuclear power as the way forward, with wind/solar etc as supplementary to this.

That would work, but would require wind and solar to respond to grid conditions rather than pour in their power irrespective. In the '80s it was all rotating synchronised generation and as frequency changed every single generator responded to a greater or lesser degree. Hydro quickest, nuclear very much the slowest and coal in between depending on size, but nevertheless all contributed to grid regulation. Nowadays we only have gas doing this.