Misleading email from Octopus Energy

QrizB

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

njkmr said:

I thought all Octopus energy came from renewables?
Therefore nothing to do with price of gas or oil.
Just profiteering.

You can understand why some would feel this is correct, what else does the below mean other than all their energy comes from renewables? (I know what it means, save someone explaining )

It means that like most energy companies they greenwash by buying REGOs.

In the specific case of Octopus, you might like to read Good Energy's blog:

https://www.goodenergy.co.uk/blog/does-octopus-energys-big-renewable-deal-mean-an-end-to-greenwash/

Note that since that blog ws written, Octopus have grown to about 5 million customers.

MultiFuelBurner

Just to add support to Octopus (please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://octopus.energy/green/

Worth a read and perhaps other suppliers.are investing as much?

bristolleedsfan

MultiFuelBurner said:

(please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://www.scottishpower.com/news/pages/2022_brings_record_green_investment_pipeline_for_scottish_power_uk_plc.aspx

https://www.scottishpowerrenewables.com/pages/our_projects.aspx

https://www.scottishpower.com/pages/green_recovery.aspx

https://www.greeninvestmentgroup.com/en/projects-and-perspectives/accelerating-scotlands-energy-transition.html#:~:text=Projects supported have included the £74m Speyside green,of low energy streetlighting across major Scottish councils.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/08/scottishpower-build-150m-green-hydrogen-plant-port-felixstowe

MultiFuelBurner

bristolleedsfan said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

(please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://www.scottishpower.com/news/pages/2022_brings_record_green_investment_pipeline_for_scottish_power_uk_plc.aspx

https://www.scottishpowerrenewables.com/pages/our_projects.aspx

https://www.scottishpower.com/pages/green_recovery.aspx

https://www.greeninvestmentgroup.com/en/projects-and-perspectives/accelerating-scotlands-energy-transition.html#:~:text=Projects supported have included the £74m Speyside green,of low energy streetlighting across major Scottish councils.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/08/scottishpower-build-150m-green-hydrogen-plant-port-felixstowe

Sounds like a very green renewable future ahead 👍

bristolleedsfan

MultiFuelBurner said:

(please chip in with other suppliers green projects)

https://www.britishgas.co.uk/energy/go-green/worldwide-initiatives.html

https://www.britishgas.co.uk/the-source/greener-living/climate-care-emilies-wood.html

+Centrica green projects https://uk.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210GB691G0&p=centrica+green+projects

Qyburn

MultiFuelBurner said

Sounds like a very green renewable future ahead 👍

Just generating more variable renewable energy won't do it on it's as long as we rely on gas for frequency and load regulation. All we might end up doing is scaling down nuclear to allow wind and solar more headroom. Hydrogen might do something there, but the hydrogen plant I visited is hugely inefficient and can't be turned up and down to truly use surplus energy.  If that latter point could be addressed then efficiency doesntvmatter so much, 65% getting stored is better than shutting down generation.

Demand side needs to be addressed as well, for example if 23 million homes convert from gas to ASHP then that could double demand. Add in 20 odd million new electric cars. I think the current mantra of "use as much power as you want, when you want, as long as it's electricity" will need to change so we can get the best out of variable supplies.

Strummer22

Qyburn said:

MultiFuelBurner said

Sounds like a very green renewable future ahead 👍

 Add in 20 odd million new electric cars. I think the current mantra of "use as much power as you want, when you want, as long as it's electricity" will need to change so we can get the best out of variable supplies.

Completely off-topic from the original post, but smart charging is essential for electric cars if the grid is going to manage.

We need a universal charging app that, when you plug your car in, you say how much charge you need and when you need it by. The app will then allow your car to charge at the rate that most efficiently spreads the load on the grid. 

Obviously any such scheme would rely on users being honest!

Gerry1

@Qyburn @Strummer22 Those 'apps' are already here.  Smart meters have various control facilities such as Load Limiting where you're limited to a kW or two.  Note the display on @Bambi12345's meter. https://us.v-cdn.net/cdn-cgi/image/fit=scale-down,width=1200/https://us-noi.v-cdn.net/6031891/uploads/editor/p3/qfs0bbxlw3me.jpg

Similarly, the 'nozzle' on the lead from a wall charger contains a cellular reciver and SIM so that it can phone home and restrict your usage if the supplier says No.

Qyburn

Gerry1 said:

@Qyburn @Strummer22 Those 'apps' are already here.  Smart meters have various control facilities such as Load Limiting where you're limited to a kW or two.  

I've not seen that technically described.  What does it do when load limiting actually kicks in, does it cut right off? I don't think actual load limiting, like a whole house dimmer, would be practical. Apart from the circuitry needed a lot off appliances would malfunction or be damaged. 

Gerry1

@Qyburn It's all in the smart meter specification.  Needless to say, these facilities aren't publicised !

In order to comply with the Smart Metering Equipment Technical Specifications, smart metering systems will need to support load limiting functionality.

Load limiting is defined in Standard Licence Condition 1 of the Electricity Supply Licence as meaning ‘the practice by which the licensee limits the number of kilowatts or kilowatt hours supplied to a Domestic Premises in accordance with a Domestic Supply Contract ....'