Question about PIP review

MR_t0

Hello, my wife who has been on PIP since 2014 for a long term medical condition won a tribunal in 2020 after the assessor failed her and gave her zero points. It was awarded back for 5 years at the tribunal but now they have sent a review form again. I have noticed on the form it is asking if any changes have occurred since 2016 which was 4 years before the appeal/tribunal, so they seem to have completely cut out the interruption from 19/20 where we had to go to appeal and any changes of points based on that. 

So my question is, how are we supposed to fill out the "review" form? It is asking if any changes have occurred since 2016 but obviously going to a tribunal and winning the payment back in 2020 WAS a change. So surely they already have the record of this?

I don't know why they are asking for any changes from all the way back in 2016 rather than any changes since 2020 when she was awarded it after appeal.

Shouldn't it be based on her most recent award?

HillStreetBlues

When was the assessment that the 2020 tribunal win was based on?

Alice_Holt

Fill it out as if it was a new claim. 

Fully and comprehensively explain why she can't do the relevant PIP activities reliably and on the majority of days. 
Enclose additional sheets (preferably typed) with detailed information covering each relevant PIP activity. 

Enclose supportive medical evidence, and evidence from carers / family members who provide care confirming the care needed.  

Attach a copy of the Tribunal decision, together with a note explaining if her conditions / abilities are the same / have worsened from the date of the tribunal.

I'm sure you don't want the stress of having to appeal a flawed PIP assessment again, so make your form as watertight and compelling as possible with a complete picture of her difficulties around the PIP descriptors for the DWP decision maker.  Fully list all aids needed, etc

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

peteuk

Although the tribunal outcome will be on the computer system, Im pretty sure as a PIP assessor I was advised not to look at the outcome.

Which is crazy if you apply any sense to the situation.  Why assess a claimant and produce a potentially floored assessment for it to go through to tribunal again.  

MR_t0

HillStreetBlues said:

When was the assessment that the 2020 tribunal win was based on?

January 2019 was when she received a home visit from an assessor who gave her zero points and she lost the PIP. Tribunal was March 2020 just before COVID hit. We won the tribunal and it was backdated back to 01/19. However the review forms mention nothing at all about this and go back further to 2016

MR_t0

Alice_Holt said:

Fill it out as if it was a new claim. 

Fully and comprehensively explain why she can't do the relevant PIP activities reliably and on the majority of days. 
Enclose additional sheets (preferably typed) with detailed information covering each relevant PIP activity. 

Enclose supportive medical evidence, and evidence from carers / family members who provide care confirming the care needed.  

Attach a copy of the Tribunal decision, together with a note explaining if her conditions / abilities are the same / have worsened from the date of the tribunal.

I'm sure you don't want the stress of having to appeal a flawed PIP assessment again, so make your form as watertight and compelling as possible with a complete picture of her difficulties around the PIP descriptors for the DWP decision maker.  Fully list all aids needed, etc

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

Thanks. I noticed on the form they specifically ask NOT to send a supporting letter from the GP. basically all they are asking for is a patient summary record and a repeat prescription which she doesn't have as medication is administered via an injection at a health centre every couple of weeks, she does not take medication orally

peteuk

MR_t0 said:

Alice_Holt said:

Fill it out as if it was a new claim. 

Fully and comprehensively explain why she can't do the relevant PIP activities reliably and on the majority of days. 
Enclose additional sheets (preferably typed) with detailed information covering each relevant PIP activity. 

Enclose supportive medical evidence, and evidence from carers / family members who provide care confirming the care needed.  

Attach a copy of the Tribunal decision, together with a note explaining if her conditions / abilities are the same / have worsened from the date of the tribunal.

I'm sure you don't want the stress of having to appeal a flawed PIP assessment again, so make your form as watertight and compelling as possible with a complete picture of her difficulties around the PIP descriptors for the DWP decision maker.  Fully list all aids needed, etc

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/help-with-your-claim/fill-in-form-pip/

Thanks. I noticed on the form they specifically ask NOT to send a supporting letter from the GP. basically all they are asking for is a patient summary record and a repeat prescription which she doesn't have as medication is administered via an injection at a health centre every couple of weeks, she does not take medication orally

Although medication is injected at health centre if it’s her gp there will still be a prescription and it may be under a repeat system to avoid having a doctor to continually prescribe it.  Speak to the pharmacy at the health centre they may be able to provide a copy.  

My wife has other repeat medication as well as a monthly injection at the gps, and her repeat prescription shows the injection. 

HillStreetBlues

MR_t0 said:

HillStreetBlues said:

When was the assessment that the 2020 tribunal win was based on?

January 2019 was when she received a home visit from an assessor who gave her zero points and she lost the PIP. Tribunal was March 2020 just before COVID hit. We won the tribunal and it was backdated back to 01/19. However the review forms mention nothing at all about this and go back further to 2016

Certainly an error there.
Follow the great advice by Alice
 

Spoonie_Turtle

peteuk said:

Although the tribunal outcome will be on the computer system, Im pretty sure as a PIP assessor I was advised not to look at the outcome.

Which is crazy if you apply any sense to the situation.  Why assess a claimant and produce a potentially floored assessment for it to go through to tribunal again.  

If one were feeling cynical, one might surmise perhaps the cruelty is the point.

Spoonie_Turtle

Alice_Holt said:

Fill it out as if it was a new claim. 

Fully and comprehensively explain why she can't do the relevant PIP activities reliably and on the majority of days. 
Enclose additional sheets (preferably typed) with detailed information covering each relevant PIP activity. 

Enclose supportive medical evidence, and evidence from carers / family members who provide care confirming the care needed.  

I've just had my review form through, and goodness I had no idea how hard they push the 'since we last looked at your claim' angle.  They even explicitly tell you not to send anything you've already sent before.  (I have no new evidence, surprise surprise, because nothing's changed and there is no medical care for my condition.)

I can see why people follow the instructions rather than filling it out comprehensively.  Maddening.  Thank goodness for this forum and members sharing their expertise!

born_again

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Alice_Holt said:

I can see why people follow the instructions rather than filling it out comprehensively.  Maddening.  Thank goodness for this forum and members sharing their expertise!

Having just filled the wife's in. Totally agree with the sentiment.
Plenty of changes & evidence to send in. 
Thankfully got msg today received. So now the long wait to see what happens. Seem to remember something about wait times down to 15 weeks. 😶‍🌫️