EV owners: question about EV charging

ComicGeek

Herzlos said:

If EV's are so bad, why do battery vehicles in some form make up about 56% of new car sales? 15% BEVs with the rest being hybrid:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

That certainly implies a lot of car buyers feel they are worth it, given there are very few cars available in EV only.

But 57% of sales are fleet, and there's no breakdown on the link on the proportion of BEVs being private or fleet sales. What proportion of the BEVs are actually private sales, I would guess it's pretty low at the moment.

Hybrids are a good compromise at the moment. I would certainly still have my self charging hybrid (and possibly bought another by now) if I didn't have my EV company car - getting 55 mpg from a large petrol 4x4 was great.

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

If EV's are so bad, why do battery vehicles in some form make up about 56% of new car sales? 15% BEVs with the rest being hybrid:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

That certainly implies a lot of car buyers feel they are worth it, given there are very few cars available in EV only.

Possibly partly because some people believe the hype about EV's and partly because the government told them that from 2030 NO MORE ICE engined cars would be sold - and then moved the goalposts !!

Or, just hear me out here, they didn't listen to the naysaying and decided that EV's made sense for them.

I hear a lot of people on here go on and on and on and on about how terrible EV's are for whatever tenuous reason, but what they all seem to have in common is that they have no experience with them.

I know a lot of people in real life who actually own EV's and none of them have any complaints. Some of them are saving a fortune, at least 2 who save more in fuel than the car payments cost, and all rate the driving experience as much better too.

Goudy

Herzlos said:

If EV's are so bad, why do battery vehicles in some form make up about 56% of new car sales? 15% BEVs with the rest being hybrid:

https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

That certainly implies a lot of car buyers feel they are worth it, given there are very few cars available in EV only.

You would also have to factor in what is actually available to buy today.

For example, Britain's best selling car for that last 30 odd years was the Ford Fiesta.
That in no longer in production.

What is in production for Ford is the Puma, which is only available as some sort of Hybrid (with a battery).

So of course battery vehicle sales will improve if the choice of alternatives are reducing.

Don't like that example, then what about Toyota's Yaris or their worldwide best seller the Corolla.

They are all hybrid these days. Basically if you want a Toyota car these days it has be a battery vehicle.
There's now no question about if you choose a Toyota because it was a hybrid with battery or not, it just is one and of course the sales figures reflect that.

WellKnownSid

Herzlos said:
I know a lot of people in real life who actually own EV's and none of them have any complaints. Some of them are saving a fortune, at least 2 who save more in fuel than the car payments cost, and all rate the driving experience as much better too. 

I have just bought an 11 month old EV.

1. Financed at 0% thanks to the Scottish Government
2. £400 off the charger thanks to the Scottish Government
3. 2p per mile thanks to cheaper electricity tariffs
4. Cheaper than a 1.0 litre ICE equivalent thanks to Daily Mail journalism 

And it's fun to drive too...

MeteredOut

WellKnownSid said:

Herzlos said:
I know a lot of people in real life who actually own EV's and none of them have any complaints. Some of them are saving a fortune, at least 2 who save more in fuel than the car payments cost, and all rate the driving experience as much better too. 

I have just bought an 11 month old EV.

1. Financed at 0% thanks to the Scottish Government
2. £400 off the charger thanks to the Scottish Government
3. 2p per mile thanks to cheaper electricity tariffs
4. Cheaper than a 1.0 litre ICE equivalent thanks to Daily Mail journalism 

And it's fun to drive too...

But, but, but, its going to explode. The Daily Mail told me

Typhoon2000

What’s the average miles you need to do to break even on one of the EV electricity tariffs for say a family of 4, to make up for the increased electricity charge at other time? I guess if you are using electric for heating then it will never be worthwhile moving to an EV tariff? The cynic in me thinks if the utility companies are offering these deals then they must be making money on it over all.

WellKnownSid

Typhoon2000 said:

What’s the average miles you need to do to break even on one of the EV electricity tariffs for say a family of 4, to make up for the increased electricity charge at other time? I guess if you are using electric for heating then it will never be worthwhile moving to an EV tariff? The cynic in me thinks if the utility companies are offering these deals then they must be making money on it over all.

In my case it's negative miles because the 20p saving at night always compensates for the 3p increase in rate during the day - without having to plug the car in.

I think you're thinking of the days of economy 7 when the rate was half at night but three times during the day.

macgyver

WellKnownSid said:

Typhoon2000 said:

What’s the average miles you need to do to break even on one of the EV electricity tariffs for say a family of 4, to make up for the increased electricity charge at other time? I guess if you are using electric for heating then it will never be worthwhile moving to an EV tariff? The cynic in me thinks if the utility companies are offering these deals then they must be making money on it over all.

In my case it's negative miles because the 20p saving at night always compensates for the 3p increase in rate during the day - without having to plug the car in.

I think you're thinking of the days of economy 7 when the rate was half at night but three times during the day.

I am thinking about the same as I do not do many miles on my EV (4000 miles/yr), so charge about once a week (about 50Kwh/week).
If I put the numbers in it will be £30/per year as compared to £ 1100 per year (excluding the SC) and persuming I charge at home all the time.
So it does feel worth while getting the Smart tariff for me.
HTH

born_again

force_ten1 said:

born_again said:

Like the way folks assume it's a new car.. As well as not understand 2 x 30 = 60
Bought 2nd hand. So difference is minimal. At my age depreciation is not something to worry about. It's a fact of life in all cars. 

Petrol costs were based on £1.30 a ltr as well, not the current value.
Insurance was a extra £46 for the 6 months left on policy.

The savings were a big factor in the change.

the niro EV was only released late 21 early 22 so it is not an old car and the cheapest 2022 plate Kia Niro 64.8 kWh 2 spec on the Kia website is £25,995 and the cheapest 22 plate Kia Niro 1.6 GDi 2 spec hybrid is £19,900 

so the price difference between the hybrid and the full EV is £6,095 so you have still got to put in a lot of miles before you are quids in 

OK so it's a E-Niro then... 🤷‍♀️

Spies

Charging networks are still taking the mick with pricing at the moment which doesn't help uptake, Tesla is there charging 30-40p a kwh and then you have the greedy ******** at instavolt charging 85p per kWh, that's more expensive to run than a petrol car!