EV owners: question about EV charging

MouldyOldDough

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

Goudy

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

Someone will be along in a minute and shatter that illusion!

They'll tell you they don't actually self charge.

Grumpy_chap

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

You are, maybe, half-way there with the suggestion.
I had a Toyota Auris Hybrid (now called "self-charging") and it was not really any more efficient than an equivalent Focus.

There are also PHEV (Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles) which take the hybrid concept a bit further by adding a plug and a larger battery.  A range of 50 or so miles on electric only seems to be typical.  This could meet all the mileage of a user doing average 8.4 mile journeys on EV and then the ICE in service for longer journeys.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/100234/top-10-best-plug-hybrids-buy

Oh, and the self-charging hybrids don't

boxosox

Jenni_D said:

I bought my MG4 SE SR new. Cost (including 3 year service plan and first MOT) was just over £26.9k. An equivalent ICE car (Astra 1.2 automatic) was the same price, if not more. So purchase price of an EV isn't always higher than an ICE, at least not significantly-so.

Charging up at motorway service stations (at megabucks per kWh) tends to give a p per mile somewhat equivalent to ICE cars refuelling at local service stations, so running costs are somewhat equivalent. Charge at home the majority of the time and you can significantly reduce your running costs: have solar / battery storage solution at home and you can run an EV virtually for nothing.

(Yes, EV insurance tends to be higher than ICE insurance, but all insurances have gone up this year. After shopping around this year I got insurance at the same price as last year).

I wouldn't say an MG is equivalent to an Astra.  Naturally, a Chinese-made car is going to be cheaper than a European one.

I'm talking about literally comparable cars.  The Mini Countryman (from £29k) vs the Electric Mini Countryman (from £42k) for example.

boxosox

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

I'm assuming a self-charging hybrid is a car that has a load of batteries that charge from the engine or regen braking or downhill coasting?  

I think if I'm going to go EV, I'll either do it properly or will just stick with petrol.

born_again

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

Having come from a Niro Hybrid to a Niro EV. So like for like.

All I can say is in the 2 months of EV ownership it has cost £20.93 (over 1000 miles) to charge at home (no charging anywhere else) compared to £30 a month in petrol for the HEV & that was getting 50+ mpg.
So I'm Quids in. 
Even a PHEV would get no where near the saving of a full EV.

Our only long trips are once a year on holiday. So more than happy to pay a bit more for charging, as it will only cost the same per mile as HEV did.

Each to their own. EV will not suit everyone. Hybrids are good for many, full ICE for others.

It's all the mistruths that some perpetrate around the issue that is annoying.

Like EV caused the Luton fire, yet the fire was out in hours & only damping down next day. If it had been a EV. As many like to say a EV fire is very hard to put out. So these people really shot themselves in the foot in this case.

MeteredOut

boxosox said:

MeteredOut said:

ComicGeek said:

Don't people realise that they're not being forced to change to EVs yet? If the current stock of EVs don't cater to your needs, then you really aren't being forced to buy one yet.

Just wait until either you can get the EV you need, or until you have to pick the best available option if it still doesn't exist.

Most people won't currently save money with an EV, so just let the company car buyers and EV fans spend the big bucks and just wait for the future benefit.

If I wasn't a company car driver then I wouldn't be driving an EV yet. 

What do you mean by that?

If you mean that running an EV is not cheaper than running an ICE car, then I'd strongly disagree.

But if you're saying those savings are unlikely to make up for the additional cost of an EV if you're buying it purely to reduce costs, then I'd generally agree.

I don't understand your comment.  You say that running an EV is cheaper and then say it's not cheaper.

 My basic sums show me that owning an EV is much more expensive than a petrol/diesel car.

Purchase price is much higher, depreciation is greater, insurance is higher.  Per mile, electricity can be cheaper than petrol if only charged at home, but I'm not sure it'd every outweigh the other increased costs.

No I did not. I've re-read what I wrote and I don't get where your confusion lies. Hopefully others who have said the same/similar thing as me have written it in a manner you can better understand. 

MouldyOldDough

born_again said:

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

Having come from a Niro Hybrid to a Niro EV. So like for like.

All I can say is in the 2 months of EV ownership it has cost £20.93 (over 1000 miles) to charge at home (no charging anywhere else) compared to £30 a month in petrol for the HEV & that was getting 50+ mpg.
So I'm Quids in. 
Even a PHEV would get no where near the saving of a full EV.

Our only long trips are once a year on holiday. So more than happy to pay a bit more for charging, as it will only cost the same per mile as HEV did.

Each to their own. EV will not suit everyone. Hybrids are good for many, full ICE for others.

It's all the mistruths that some perpetrate around the issue that is annoying.

Like EV caused the Luton fire, yet the fire was out in hours & only damping down next day. If it had been a EV. As many like to say a EV fire is very hard to put out. So these people really shot themselves in the foot in this case.

So you saved £10 ?

And how much more did the EV cost ?

I don't see a "quids in" here ......

I see an expensive vehicle

MeteredOut

MouldyOldDough said:

born_again said:

MouldyOldDough said:

It's a real shame that there's not the ability to buy a car that can run on electricity or ICE - To get the best of both worlds ....

Oh there is - called a self charging HYBRID !!

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/hybrid/best-hybrid-cars/

Having come from a Niro Hybrid to a Niro EV. So like for like.

All I can say is in the 2 months of EV ownership it has cost £20.93 (over 1000 miles) to charge at home (no charging anywhere else) compared to £30 a month in petrol for the HEV & that was getting 50+ mpg.
So I'm Quids in. 
Even a PHEV would get no where near the saving of a full EV.

Our only long trips are once a year on holiday. So more than happy to pay a bit more for charging, as it will only cost the same per mile as HEV did.

Each to their own. EV will not suit everyone. Hybrids are good for many, full ICE for others.

It's all the mistruths that some perpetrate around the issue that is annoying.

Like EV caused the Luton fire, yet the fire was out in hours & only damping down next day. If it had been a EV. As many like to say a EV fire is very hard to put out. So these people really shot themselves in the foot in this case.

So you saved £10 ?

And how much more did the EV cost ?

I don't see a "quids in" here ......

I see an expensive vehicle

£20 versus £60 over 2 months. Looks more than £10 to me.

And that was comparing an EV to a Hybrid get 50+mpg.

I doubt many people who have run the figures would advocate replacing a perfectly good ICE with an EV, but when a replacement car is required, ruling out EVs without checking out whether it'd work for them is naive. It's hard to argue against running costs being cheaper for an EV.

Goudy

When do the running costs get cheaper?

A Niro Hybrid starts at around £30,045
A Niro EV starts at around £37,295

£7000 buys around 4575 litres of petrol at £1.53 a litre.
4575 litres is over 1000 UK gallons and at 50 mpg, that's 50,000 miles.

Saving £10 a month would take 700 months to scrap back.

Are they are that cheaper to service?