Ticketed in space owned by me

LondonE5

I was ticketed for parking in my own space by P4Parking for not displaying a permit in a shared car park (but with an assigned / owned space that our company bought).

Years ago the managing agent who have employed the parking company (without my permission) cancelled a ticket, so there is precedent for that, but this time they are refusing to cancel as the woman working there is on some kind of power trip.

A month later I’ve now received a first letter from TNC Parking Services.

Originally I had submitted a letter through P4P’s website explaining I own the space and telling them where to go…

The letter from TNC doesn’t seem to acknowledge this attempt at appeal from me via P4P’s site, and mentions my right to appeal the charge as if I’ve never had contact.

Should I simply ignore TNC’s letters, or should I appeal again via the website? I could even send them a copy of the land registry TR1. I also have copies of emails of the managing agent previously cancelling tickets.

Presumably I’d win this in court given that it’s my parking space and I have never engaged their services to charge invoices for parking there? I don’t agree with the premise contract they are suggesting you enter by parking there.

Obviously like others on here it’s the principle that makes me angry - we paid good money to buy the space and have a right to quiet enjoyment of it I believe.

Thanks for any help.

Coupon-mad

Tell them to do one (if they send a LBC - see NEWBIES THREAD second post) and for goodness sake opt out of this scheme immediately.  You do NOT need to display permits.

The PPC is trespassing in your owned bay - ban them from setting foot in it or taking photos of vehicles in it. Read the online accounts about Roger Davey v UKPC and threaten an injunction.  If they don't back off, get a solicitor to file an injunction and charge the PPC for the costs (as Mr Davey did). 

You can ignore TNC completely.  Your stage is post 4 of the NEWBIES thread at the moment.

  

LondonE5

Thank you @Coupon-mad!

I've written a letter that covers what you suggest with the threat of injunction.  I am going to send a copy to the managing agent as well (this is their mess and they have previously cancelled tickets, no doubt setting precedent/acknowledgement it's our space), and will try and report the managing agent.

Should I correspond with the parking company via their website/appeals section?  Or is it best to post the letter.  I saw that royal mail isn't a good idea and that I can screenshot what I've written if doing it online?

Fruitcake

Send everything via the internet, and send a copy to yourself. Use every online method and email address you can find, including that of the DPO which should be on the parking company's Privacy page. In other words, bombard them so they can't say they never received anything. Include a copy of your land ownership details.

Also send it to the person who employed the scammers. State that it is your/your company's land and any incursion onto it will be trespass. Add that any damage done, such as leaving a sticky residue on your windscreen from a NTD will be criminal damage.

Put Cease and Desist in the subject line and at the top of every complaint/warning. If the NTD/NTK has wording such as court claim, CCJ, difficulty to obtain credit etcetera, quote the exact words back to them suggesting they seek legal advice.

Do complain to your MP as a matter of course.

Anything sent by post should be done at a Post Office counter, sent first class, and obtaining a free proof of posting receipt, but email is better and quicker.

You can send an LBC at any time whether you have warned them or not, although it will look better to a judge to have given the participants a warning of legal action beforehand.

Once you have sent an LBC, you can issue a claim against them at any time during the subsequent six years.

LondonE5

Thanks @Fruitcake (and @Coupon-mad again!).  Great advice which I have followed. A further piece of advice I found having spoken to a barrister friend is to formally exercise rights under the s1 Protection from Harassment Act 1997. Particularly in this case where we own the parking space in question and it certainly conflicts with the right to quiet enjoyment of the property.

UncleThomasCobley

Don't forget that they have obtained your personal data illegally from the DVLA. They had no right to request the data if you were parked on your own land.

Fruitcake

UncleThomasCobley said:

Don't forget that they have obtained your personal data illegally from the DVLA. They had no right to request the data if you were parked on your own land.

Good point.

Complain to the DVLA about this unlawful breach of the DPA and the GDPR. Include a copy of proof of landownership and demand that they put a block on the PPC obtaining your personal data, and demand an explanation why they breached data protection laws and sold your personal data to an unregulated private parking company without your permission.. Warn them if you don't get a satisfactory answer, you will report them to the ICO.

Complaint email addresses for the DVLA are,

ccrt@dvla.gov.uk and KADOEservice.support@dvla.gov.uk

Include this data breach in your complaint to your MP.

LondonE5

@UncleThomasCobley & @Fruitcake - this is great thanks.  I have lodged a complaint with the DVLA in the manner you suggest above. Let's see what they say. I ended the letter with "You are advised to seek legal advice".

Nothing back from anyone yet.

Is it worth contacting P4Parking informing them of the illegal data sourced (or is that incorrect since it's actually TNC technically?), or is that an irrelevance at this point?

Castle

LondonE5 said:

I was ticketed for parking in my own space by P4Parking for not displaying a permit in a shared car park (but with an assigned / owned space that our company bought).

Years ago the managing agent who have employed the parking company (without my permission) cancelled a ticket, so there is precedent for that, but this time they are refusing to cancel as the woman working there is on some kind of power trip.

A month later I’ve now received a first letter from TNC Parking Services.

Originally I had submitted a letter through P4P’s website explaining I own the space and telling them where to go…

The letter from TNC doesn’t seem to acknowledge this attempt at appeal from me via P4P’s site, and mentions my right to appeal the charge as if I’ve never had contact.

Should I simply ignore TNC’s letters, or should I appeal again via the website? I could even send them a copy of the land registry TR1. I also have copies of emails of the managing agent previously cancelling tickets.

Presumably I’d win this in court given that it’s my parking space and I have never engaged their services to charge invoices for parking there? I don’t agree with the premise contract they are suggesting you enter by parking there.

Obviously like others on here it’s the principle that makes me angry - we paid good money to buy the space and have a right to quiet enjoyment of it I believe.

Thanks for any help.

So which is it:- 
-Is the space owned by "our company" or is it owned by you personally?

LondonE5

Castle said:

LondonE5 said:

I was ticketed for parking in my own space by P4Parking for not displaying a permit in a shared car park (but with an assigned / owned space that our company bought).

Years ago the managing agent who have employed the parking company (without my permission) cancelled a ticket, so there is precedent for that, but this time they are refusing to cancel as the woman working there is on some kind of power trip.

A month later I’ve now received a first letter from TNC Parking Services.

Originally I had submitted a letter through P4P’s website explaining I own the space and telling them where to go…

The letter from TNC doesn’t seem to acknowledge this attempt at appeal from me via P4P’s site, and mentions my right to appeal the charge as if I’ve never had contact.

Should I simply ignore TNC’s letters, or should I appeal again via the website? I could even send them a copy of the land registry TR1. I also have copies of emails of the managing agent previously cancelling tickets.

Presumably I’d win this in court given that it’s my parking space and I have never engaged their services to charge invoices for parking there? I don’t agree with the premise contract they are suggesting you enter by parking there.

Obviously like others on here it’s the principle that makes me angry - we paid good money to buy the space and have a right to quiet enjoyment of it I believe.

Thanks for any help.

So which is it:- 
-Is the space owned by "our company" or is it owned by you personally?

A pension trust, but I am personally named on the TR1.

LondonE5

Apologies @Castle - appreciate my original post contained an ambiguity there.