Does anyone please have historic average electric standing charges?

AlexMac

For what its worth, and momentarily returnng to the OP; My OVO Standing charge per day for lekky was between 27p and 36p over the past four- five years; eg
 
27.4p in April 2020 (since at least 2018; I didn't scroll back past that...) 
24.45p - in Oct 21 (maybe I went for a better deal?
31.57p - by March 22 (didn't check when it went up)
36.36p - at May 23 to date (ditto) 

OVO are great in that they store your detailed bills online so I went back and looked at a few.  I could do moe, but judging by comments above, should I bovver?

Bark01

Might be a misunderstanding here, I think you guys are referring to zero standing tariffs. They are obviously 100% allowed. I was specifically referring to banded tariffs not being allowed.

Suppliers are only allowed to offer tariffs with a single standing charge and a single unit rate per register, they can of course choose to set them to zero if they wish.

Scot_39 said:

Bark01 said:

Standing charges haven't always been a thing. Suppliers used to offer banded tariffs where the first x units were more expensive than the rest. They were certainly a big thing ~2009 and outlawed by ofgem as part of RMR maybe around 2015

Only technically not 100% from iirc c2013/4) Bill enactment to c2016 revision to reallow it.

Before many collapses there were at least 5 zero SC suppliers, on some review sites, MSE now only list 2.

And one of those - just like say the banded tariffs - simply recovers it anyway - and a bit mors on top iirc - by charging much more for 1st 2 units a day.

ArbitraryRandom said:

Bark01 said:

Standing charges haven't always been a thing. Suppliers used to offer banded tariffs where the first x units were more expensive than the rest. They were certainly a big thing ~2009 and outlawed by ofgem as part of RMR maybe around 2015

Not outlawed - there's still a couple of suppliers (Utilita and Ebico), they just aren't very competitive for the majority of households who use more than a couple of units a day. 

sonypc100

Scot_39 said:

Why start another thread ?

As sure this will be linked easily enough by many  - to your garage supply issue.

You have almost zero legal chance of recovering any money for all of the 14 past years - since you moved in.  Even more so without your actual bills.

And may easily find yourself on the wrong side of law if try to bill without them.

Overstimate them even by a penny - and thats an illegal action on your part - under the resale rules

And the owner of the other "flat"/"garage" is 100% legally entitled to proof said moneys were paid and the exact rate for which you paid them.

Not some guesstimate of past from somewhere in the country with some supplier on some payment basis - on some random deal basis - from the Internet.



And perhaps in the spirit of your discussions -  on the basis they have agreed to supply that garage from flat above -  rather than the metered supply in it - assuming it belongs to that flat - otherwise that's not a viable solution either -  chalk the past down to your own erroneous assumptions.

As in part you have failed to realise what you were in fact paying for.

You are over complicating the issue.

The agreement we have amicably arrived at is that my neighbour will contribute half the standing fees for the last 14 years but not any electricity usage charges.

We've agreed we cannot work out an exact figure so we've both said it will be a few hundred quid as a guesstimate, maybe around £500, we are both happy with this solution.

As my neighbour said... it would be like urinating in the wind trying to pin down and split standing charges and usage for 14 years.

They are not looking for proof or exact rates.

ArbitraryRandom

Bark01 said:

Might be a misunderstanding here, I think you guys are referring to zero standing tariffs. They are obviously 100% allowed. I was specifically referring to banded tariffs not being allowed.

Suppliers are only allowed to offer tariffs with a single standing charge and a single unit rate per register, they can of course choose to set them to zero if they wish.

Scot_39 said:

Bark01 said:

Standing charges haven't always been a thing. Suppliers used to offer banded tariffs where the first x units were more expensive than the rest. They were certainly a big thing ~2009 and outlawed by ofgem as part of RMR maybe around 2015

Only technically not 100% from iirc c2013/4) Bill enactment to c2016 revision to reallow it.

Before many collapses there were at least 5 zero SC suppliers, on some review sites, MSE now only list 2.

And one of those - just like say the banded tariffs - simply recovers it anyway - and a bit mors on top iirc - by charging much more for 1st 2 units a day.

ArbitraryRandom said:

Bark01 said:

Standing charges haven't always been a thing. Suppliers used to offer banded tariffs where the first x units were more expensive than the rest. They were certainly a big thing ~2009 and outlawed by ofgem as part of RMR maybe around 2015

Not outlawed - there's still a couple of suppliers (Utilita and Ebico), they just aren't very competitive for the majority of households who use more than a couple of units a day. 

And we were saying that banded tariffs are not explicitly banned in the uk, they're just not common or popular as they work out more expensive for the majority of customers.  

For example, Utilita charge a higher rate for the first 2 units consumed each day, before dropping to a lower rate the rest of the day (aka a banded tariff) - this allows them to recover the cost of the 'free' standing charge for the majority of users. 


https://utilita.co.uk/

The only requirement is that the tariff also has a standing charge - which, as you say, can be set to 0.