Speeding ticket

boxosox

MattMattMattUK said:

pnw72 said:

Hi,

I received a speeding ticket over an Average Speed Zone. I've looked at the evidence photos. There's a picture of entry & exit. There's a date & time stamp on the exit, but nothing on the entry. Does anyone think this is grounds for an appeal?

Thank you in advance.

Regards

No, pretty much zero chance. 

Take the course and keep a clean license. 

Or, if you know how to spell, keep a clean licence.

DigSunPap

forgotmyname said:

DigSunPap said:

You won't win an appeal unfortunately. Just going to have to suck it up and complete the course.

Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

If you think you have a case then it is certainly worth a try - but I wouldn't hold your breathe these things can be very difficult to turn over I have learnt from past experience.

Okell

Car_54 said:

TooManyPoints said:

forgotmyname said:

 Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

I don't think the OP mentioned anything about a variable speed limit or a temporary limit due to road works. Unless other factors are mentioned we can only advise based on the information provided. My advice (and that of others, it seems) pertains to the situation where a straightforward average speed detection system is in place. 

Indeed. And the use of an average speed  system rules out the possibility that it was a variable limit.

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but is that necessarily the case?

If somebody returned an average speed of 85mph between points A and B, it wouldn't matter if there was one or more variable limits between A and B would it?  However you look at it they must have exceeded the limit.

Or are you saying that average speed cameras are turned off - or not used at all - where there are (or could be) variable limits?

Car_54

Okell said:

Car_54 said:

TooManyPoints said:

forgotmyname said:

 Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

I don't think the OP mentioned anything about a variable speed limit or a temporary limit due to road works. Unless other factors are mentioned we can only advise based on the information provided. My advice (and that of others, it seems) pertains to the situation where a straightforward average speed detection system is in place. 

Indeed. And the use of an average speed  system rules out the possibility that it was a variable limit.

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but is that necessarily the case?

If somebody returned an average speed of 85mph between points A and B, it wouldn't matter if there was one or more variable limits between A and B would it?  However you look at it they must have exceeded the limit.

Or are you saying that average speed cameras are turned off - or not used at all - where there are (or could be) variable limits?

The latter. In VSL zones there are fixed cameras on the gantries.

pnw72

Thank you all for your comments