Speeding ticket

pnw72

Hi,

I received a speeding ticket over an Average Speed Zone. I've looked at the evidence photos. There's a picture of entry & exit. There's a date & time stamp on the exit, but nothing on the entry. Does anyone think this is grounds for an appeal?

Thank you in advance.

Regards

MattMattMattUK

pnw72 said:

Hi,

I received a speeding ticket over an Average Speed Zone. I've looked at the evidence photos. There's a picture of entry & exit. There's a date & time stamp on the exit, but nothing on the entry. Does anyone think this is grounds for an appeal?

Thank you in advance.

Regards

No, pretty much zero chance. 

Take the course and keep a clean license. 

Aretnap

pnw72 said:

Hi,

I received a speeding ticket over an Average Speed Zone. I've looked at the evidence photos. There's a picture of entry & exit. There's a date & time stamp on the exit, but nothing on the entry. Does anyone think this is grounds for an appeal?

Thank you in advance.

Regards

You can't appeal as such. Instead you either accept the fixed penalty or you don't. If you don't accept it you'll be prosecuted for speeding and the protection will present their evidence to the court - which may be more extensive than the two still photographs that they've chosen to include.

It's unlikely that there is no record at all of your exit time. If there wasn't then they wouldn't have been able to calculate the speed that you are accused of doing - unless they used a random number generator, which seems unlikely. So they will presumably be able to offer evidence of your entrance and exit times in court. There is no requirement to provide evidence of the offence on the NIP or fixed penalty at all, so the fact that what they did provide was not the complete evidence is not going to help you in court in any way.

tl;dr; No.

TooManyPoints

Speeding offences are not like parking tickets. They are criminal offences and you cannot "appeal" anything at this stage as you have not been convicted.

The way to challenge the allegation is to decline (or ignore) any out of court offers and plead Not Guilty in court. At your trial the police will produce evidence to support the charge. What you have been provided with is almost certainly not that evidence and you are not entitled to it unless the matter goes to court. You will have to counter that evidence.

Average speed detection is probably the most accurate of all methods. It simply records the time a vehicle passes two points a known distance apart and from the time elapsed its average speed over the stretch can be accurately calculated.

What was the alleged speed and the prevailing limit?

bluelad1927

Agree with comments above and to add that taking it to court will likely cost you significantly more than a course or fine

Car_54

As above.

Just to add, there is no such thing as an "Average Speed Zone". It's a normal speed limit, the average refers tot he detection method, not the limit. Exceeding the limit at any point is still an offence.

DigSunPap

You won't win an appeal unfortunately. Just going to have to suck it up and complete the course.

forgotmyname

DigSunPap said:

You won't win an appeal unfortunately. Just going to have to suck it up and complete the course.

Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

fatbelly

Are they offering you a speeding awareness course? If so, take it

TooManyPoints

forgotmyname said:

 Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

I don't think the OP mentioned anything about a variable speed limit or a temporary limit due to road works. Unless other factors are mentioned we can only advise based on the information provided. My advice (and that of others, it seems) pertains to the situation where a straightforward average speed detection system is in place. 

Car_54

TooManyPoints said:

forgotmyname said:

 Maybe or maybe not... They may have evidence that the speed signs were incorrect.

I was on the M42 and the speed changed just as I was passing beneath it, I think they have a delay before the

cameras set to the new speed but that maybe an issue.

Another one could be roadwork signs left, M6 roadworks appeared to end and the "no so smart"speed signs went from 50 the same
as the roadwork signs to national speed limit. But then another 50mph roadwork sign right before the camera gantry.

So the sign above the motorway shows 60 or national limit and the roadwork sign shows 50 which applies? The last
sign you passed or the lower of any speed?

I got myself a dashcam after coming across that situation but nothing received in the post anyway, but many cars were
going a lot faster than me, I slowed to the lower limit.

I don't think the OP mentioned anything about a variable speed limit or a temporary limit due to road works. Unless other factors are mentioned we can only advise based on the information provided. My advice (and that of others, it seems) pertains to the situation where a straightforward average speed detection system is in place. 

Indeed. And the use of an average speed  system rules out the possibility that it was a variable limit.