Amazingly Ill Informed Telegraph Article

MattMattMattUK

Qyburn said:

MattMattMattUK said: 

It is a Sony OLED

Out of interest do you know if the P110 corrects for power factor? I saw something where using proper test equipment he'd found his TV had a really poor PF in standby, poor enough to make a really big difference between VA and W.

I do not and do not have the kit to test for that either. When looking at other devices they seem to be accurate, well within expected usage, everything from PS5, PC, sound bar, to mixer, kettle, phone charger, etc. It also aligns with findings from tech sites online, pretty much the same across all modern smart TVs.

Qyburn

dunstonh said:

Qyburn said:

But if you need all those smart features running 24/7, the advice to switch off at the mains is inappropriate..

If you want to use Airplay or casting you need them on.

Do you need then running while the TV is in standby? I thought those were both ways of showing something on the screen, although stand to be corrected as all our smart stuff is done on the PVR not the TV.

dealyboy

When I first got my smart meter and IHD about 18 months ago I did the usual checks but was left with about 35W I couldn't find. I looked around for equipment and appliances I might have overlooked and then heard a low hum in the corner of the lounge ... it was coming from the sub-woofer of my Creative 6.1 speakers I had left on for over a year having had a hardware problem with my desktop (switched off of course).

At the time I worked out that that had cost me about £80, it would be lot more now.

I kicked myself of course but was delighted with the IHD ... for once I had followed the guidance.

Scot_39

Qyburn said:

MattMattMattUK said: 

It is a Sony OLED

Out of interest do you know if the P110 corrects for power factor? I saw something where using proper test equipment he'd found his TV had a really poor PF in standby, poor enough to make a really big difference between VA and W.

Anything measuring in true kW should be real power, the energy consumption in kWh similarly.

But seriously -  power factor - will be beyond many.

Just as for many power and energy bills remain too complex to understand  made even worse by some very poor implementations of ebss and epg payments over last year.

kW - real power,  kVA - apparent power and kVAr - reactive power are all well defined engineering terms.

Complex power concepts, even simple things like rms vs peak - are terms best kept away from most - as would only lead to further confusion.

And you certainly do get kVArh calibrated meters in many even smallish industrial sites.

Hopefully the Tapo uses the same measurements as other digital meters to differentiate between them - including smart meters. 

But cannot see anything on a quick scan of their/TAPOs retail info.

But in other nations, domestic tariffs are at least in part kVA dependent - like the standing charges for EDF in France - where standing charges are tabled in bands - set to reflect an agreed limit on peak demanded power in kVA not kW.

Edit must admit never really thought too much about it at the domestic level.

Gerry1

Zandoni said:

Some TVs are meant to be left in standby.

"LED & QLED TVs generally use less than 0.5 Watts of power when
left in standby. In real terms, the cost of leaving your TV in standby for a whole year would be approximately 50 pence."

https://customerservice.richersounds.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360014155977-Caring-for-your-OLED-QLED-premium-TV

How do I switch to Richer Energy and get all my electricity at 11.42p/kWh?

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Gerry1 said:

Zandoni said:

Some TVs are meant to be left in standby.

"LED & QLED TVs generally use less than 0.5 Watts of power when
left in standby. In real terms, the cost of leaving your TV in standby for a whole year would be approximately 50 pence."

https://customerservice.richersounds.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360014155977-Caring-for-your-OLED-QLED-premium-TV

How do I switch to Richer Energy and get all my electricity at 11.42p/kWh?

Ah - bad news I'm afraid @Gerry1 - you'll need a smart meter to get those kinds of rates 

Spoonie_Turtle

[Deleted User] said:

Gerry1 said:

Zandoni said:

Some TVs are meant to be left in standby.

"LED & QLED TVs generally use less than 0.5 Watts of power when
left in standby. In real terms, the cost of leaving your TV in standby for a whole year would be approximately 50 pence."

https://customerservice.richersounds.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360014155977-Caring-for-your-OLED-QLED-premium-TV

How do I switch to Richer Energy and get all my electricity at 11.42p/kWh?

Ah - bad news I'm afraid @Gerry1 - you'll need a smart meter^ to get those kinds of rates 

^ Or a time machine.

But only one of those options is currently available, of course!

UncleK

This is the Daily Telegraph - they are still getting over the phasing out of pounds, shilling and pence.

born_again

MultiFuelBurner said:

Personally it's a good starting piece for those that don't frequent these boards or who have not looked into their own usage in depth.

So the title "amazingly I'll informed article" I disagree it's ok for what it is. But in no way useful to many that frequent the energy board as it does not play to their knowledge.

But shows the biggest flaw in current journalism. They do not research anything. & many people take the whole article as factual truth.
When infact it is far from the truth.
Never mind it's not even new news, just a rehash of years old news....
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24-08-2022
https://www.elementaldigital.co.uk/british-gas-research-reveals-cost-of-leaving-devices-on-standby/

19-03-2021
https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/business/consumer/vampire-devices-are-adding-ps75-a-year-to-average-electricity-bill-in-northampton-say-british-gas-experts-3171275

Energy saving trust 11 years ago
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/jun/26/appliances-standby-cost-households-energy

bristolleedsfan

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

Qyburn said:

But it's not just smart meters they spout nonsense about, for example ..

"Leaving a TV on standby costs £24.61 a year, while leaving a Freeview box plugged in at the mains adds £23.10 to annual bills, research by British Gas found. The luxury of leaving a microwave on standby costs households an average of £16.37 a year, while a washing machine and tumble dryer add £4.73 and £4.79"

. Would you question British Gas as a reliable source? 

Source is Energy Saving Trust, at least very similar figures were published by BBC website April 2022.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-61235367

"The figures are based on research conducted on appliances in 2019 but have been updated by British Gas to reflect recent price increases"